Lightly sweet, mostly dry, and bursting with bubbles, a naturally fermented lemonade soda is one of our favorite probiotic treats to make – particularly in summer when it helps to quench thirst brought on by hot days spent under the sun’s bright and warm rays.
Homemade, naturally fermented lemonade is also easy to make. It involves less than five minutes of active time in the kitchen, mostly spent stirring before bottling and waiting for friendly bacteria to do the work for you.
It is also a great way to introduce kids to gut-friendly fermented foods.
How to Get Lemonade Naturally Fizzy
This homemade, naturally fermented lemonade soda’s fizz depends on the action of friendly bacteria. They gobble up the carbohydrates in the honey. In the end, those bacteria make your natural sodas less sweet, slightly more tart, rich in B vitamins and naturally fizzy.
The natural fizz comes from the release carbon dioxide that happens during fermentation. When carbon dioxide is bottled up with no place to go in flip-top bottles, the lemonade becomes naturally fizzy. Depending on how long you allow the lemonade to ferment, that fizziness can range from an effervescent tickle to a frenzied foaming.
Fermented, Probiotic Honey Lemonade Soda
Ingredients
For the Lemonade Soda
- 6 cups water
- 1 cup honey
- 1 cup lemon juice
- 1/2 cup fresh whey
Special Equipment
Instructions
- Warm the water in a saucepan over low heat, keeping it just warm enough to dissolve the honey – about 100 F. Whisk in the honey continuously until fully dissolved in the water. Turn off the heat, and remove the pot from the stove.
- Whisk the lemon juice and whey into the honey water until fully incorporated.
- Pour the lemonade through a narrow funnel flip-top bottles. Seal the bottles, and allow the lemonade to sit at room temperature to ferment at least four and up to seven days. You can open a bottle to check for fizziness and flavor, keeping in mind that the warmer your kitchen and the more time you allow, the sourer and more fizzy your soda will be.
Variations for Your Starter Culture
Of course, the bacteria responsible for all the goodness of homemade sodas needs to come from somewhere, and, in the case of this fermented, probiotic lemonade soda recipe, they come from fresh whey. Fresh whey is the liquid that accumulates on top of your yogurt, and it is also the liquid leftover when you make homemade yogurt or milk kefir and strain it.
You can also use kombucha tea, jun tea, water kefir or ginger bug in place of whey in this recipe. They’re all a good source of the friendly microbes you need to make homemade, fermented soda.
Brenda A Whatley says
Trying to learn about fermenting, wondering why using the lemon rinds does not work the way fermenting pineapple rinds without added culture?
Jeffrey McAllister says
My guess is the essential oils in the rind inhibit bacterial growth, which is necessary for fermentation.
You could possibly add lemon zest after the fermentation cycle is completed, if it’s that specific flavor you’re looking for, perhaps with ½ cup simple syrup as a back-sweetener.
Tiffany Cale says
I made this with lemons from the farmers market and it was fabulous. Planning to make it again. Thank you so much for the recipe. Great way to get probiotics into my children.
Saira says
Would a probiotic capsule instead of whey work?
Jenny says
You could try and let us know how it goes.
Emma Taylor says
Could I use the clear liquid from live soya yoghurt (homemade) instead of whey, or perhaps water kefir grains? I’m allergic to dairy (anaphylaxis) so can’t go near whey but happen to have a lemon tree bursting with lemons needing using up.
Jenny says
You could try and let us know how it goes.
Harold says
Honestly I don’t know why a ginger bug would not work just fine in place of the whey.
Kimberly says
Our kitchen is kind of chiIIy. Can I wrap the bottIes in dishcIoth to keep them warm? AIso, can I use recycIed, cIeaned kumbucha bottIes instead of fIip-top bottIes? Thank you!
Jenny says
Wrapping the bottles in dishcloth is unlikely to make any measurable difference in temperature, but you might consider setting them on a seed sprouting pad which is sometimes used for kombucha. I recommend you use flip-top bottles.
Elizabeth says
Can I substitute Raw Apple Cider Vinegar for whey since I don’t want to purchase the yogurt or have any of the other things listed.
Jenny says
No, ACV will most likely not work here.
Paula Mayer says
You’re amazing! Can’t wait to try this. I have both of your cookbooks and they are loaded with healthy, interesting, not-your-run-of-the-mill recipes. Thank you.
Your link for “Make your own whey” isn’t working. If I remember correctly it’s outlined in one of your books.
Do you happen to know if it will work with homemade coconut yogurt?
Marly says
Could I use water kefir made from kefir grains instead of whey?
Nerissa says
Hello,
Can I substitute water Kefir without the grains for the whey? Is there any benefit to using the whey vs water Kefir.
Many thanks
Marybeth says
Can you use a mason jar with a tight fitting lid or do you have to use that type of bottle ?
Jenny says
Hi Marybeth,
I recommend using the equipment specified in the recipe for best results.
Ariane says
So I hesitantly tried this, because I’d love to start fermenting but it scares me. My lemonade sat out 4 days and at the bottom this white cloudy stuff formed. Now I shook it up, smelled and tasted it. It smells hintishly like beer and tasted fine, it actually tasted good! Does this mean it’s ok? Or is the white wispy stuff a bad sign.
Jenny says
Hi Ariane,
The stuff at the bottom of the bottle is sediment, and is normal in home-fermented sodas and cultured drinks!
Ariane says
Thanks!
susan says
Making my 2nd whey leminade. It’s been on counter a couple of days. Today I noticed foam (or mold?) on the top. How do I determine if safe?
Benderfouf Mohammed says
Hey, first of all thanks for this heavenly
recipe. I wanted to try it with some berry’s, if
I used some raspberries should I purée them ?
Or strain the juice ? Or do you recomand
something else? I would love it if
you’d give me some tips for délicat fruits
like berries.
Thank you so much
Benderfouf Mohammed says
Hey ther,
I stumbled on your website whilst looking
for this recipe. It’s been a pleasant read. I would
like to know if it’s possible to make the
fermented lemonade with other
fruits then lemons ?
Ky says
Hi, I was just wondering what the alcohol content is of this? I know Jun tea has a higher content than kombucha due to the honey so I don’t give Jun tea to my kids but would like to make this for them. Thanks Ky
Sandy says
I have a kevita. Could I use that as a starter or will it not work since it has flavors added and is already carbonated?
Jenny says
You could try and let us know how it goes.
Anthony Reilly says
Hello,
Firstly, I love the site and all of the cool information!
I am not a newcomer to cultured foods; I’ve got a wonderful 85 year old sourdough that I got from my mother, and have kept it alive successfully for 4 years, making pancakes and bread all the while. I’ve also fermented bananas, made apple wine, naturally fermented apple cider, and cultured yogurt.
I have been trying to get a fermented soda off of the ground without success for awhile now. I’ve not yet tried this particular recipe (lemomade), but rather your root beer recipe (which I adore). This question concerns the starter. I’ve tried ginger bug several times: First time, used regular Ginger from China, learned later it has been irradiated and is dead… Second, third, and forth tries the ginger bug showed promise for a few days but after day 3 or 4 it’s simply goes flat. Warming it up, adding more sugar and water and Ginger… nothing seemed to do the trick.. I’m using organic Ginger root and dechlorinated water, I’m not sure what else to do.
I’ve tried kefir as per your recipe twice, and most recently, fresh whey that I got from making my own raw milk yogurt. Neither of them resulted in fermentation.
I did make one change to the root beer tea recipe, as I could not locate or source Wintergreen. I substituted Spearmint leaves for the Wintergreen. I have been doing a little digging on this and it appears that Spearmint may have antibacterial qualities. Do you know if they would be strong enough to inhibit fermentation ? I was recently able to find some Wintergreen and have ordered it, once it arrives I will try again.
I know you receive a lot of questions and I’m sure you get frustrated with people asking about things that have been covered either in the recipe itself, links provided in the recipe, or in the comment section. I’ve tried to do my due diligence on this, so if I’m asking something that’s already been covered I apologize.
I’d love.to hear your thoughts.
Thank you.
Jenny says
Thanks so much, Anthony!
One thing I would check is the temperature of your home. If it’s too cold, fermentation won’t take place. Also, in using whey, if you fermented your yogurt or kefir for a very long time, it may actually lack sufficient bacteria because they will have started to die off due to lack of food. The ginger bug is tricky, and a couple people have had trouble with it but I haven’t yet had a chance to troubleshoot their issues as it does work consistently for me.
Indira says
Hello, just wandering if it’s suitable for low carb diet. Thank you.
Peggy says
I would like to know the carb count as well. I’m assuming kinda low because the yeast/fermentation eats up the sugars? If anyone has the answer, that would be great. Thanks!
Jenny says
Hi Peggy,
I don’t provide that information because 1) I emphasize a food-first approach rather than a calorie-/carb-/fat-counting approach. For people who choose or feel they need to count macronutrients, they’re always free to plug the info into a calculator. Second, since some sugar is metabolized by the bacteria, then any estimate would be an estimate only and the only way you’d know for sure is by testing every single batch in a lab.
Patti says
I made this Lemon Soda a few days ago while preparing for hurricane Irma. I figured I would have at least something to look forward to after it hits us here in Central FL. :). I will post on how it came out. There is some really funky looking stuff floating on top. Not mold just weird looking cloudy stuff. I make kombucha, so I am used to seeing strange looking things during fermentation. Thanks for the awesome looking recipe. Wish me luck…..
Rebecca Shreves says
Can I use a mason jar instead of a flip top bottle? I like to use what I have on hand! Thank you!
Jenny says
You can try and let us know how it goes, but most of the commenters who have had problems were using mason jars.
Sarah says
This is so cool! I never knew how to ferment lemonade before. I don’t know how to make kombucha or have the starter for it, but I make yogurt all the time and can get whey easily! Very excited to try this!
Tiffany says
LOVE this recipe! We made this last week and we are making it again. Awesome way to get those probiotics in and the kids love it!
Talia says
Hi Jenny,
Love your website and really love this recipe. My fiance enjoyed it so much, that he had three glasses of it (mixed with lots of ice)!! I am now trying the recipe with limes to see if it will make a nice limeade.
Best
Jenny says
I bet it would make a great limeade!
Talia says
Just tried it today, it’s delicious! I wonder now if any citrus would work (blood orange might be awesome)!
Susannah says
I have a great tip for dissolving honey that does not involved heating (and washing the saucepan)! Put the honey and whatever liquid you want to mix it with into a jar and shake it!! It will dissolve, and then you can pour it into your flip top bottles. Laziness led me to this discovery!
Tammie says
I made the lemonade as directed using milk kefir whey. It developed a mother in it and I’m wondering what to do with it? Do we drink it, mix it up with the lemonade or should I strain it out?
Billy says
The picture of the end product with the lemonade in its glasses with the slices of the lemon is so aesthetic. It looks so unbelievably refreshing and like a summer drink to please the entire family! Thank you for sharing this recipe I can’t wait to try it at home. My kids will love it!
Julie says
Does whey have the milk protein in it that causes problems for dairy allergy? I am nursing a baby with a dairy allergy. Is there an alternative to using whey?
Jenny says
Hi Julie,
I would recommend you avoid whey if you are nursing a baby sensitive to cow’s milk protein. The good news, though, is that most babies will outgrow the sensitivity around 6 months.
Sarah says
Thank you!
Jade says
Hi! Thanks for the post! I’m just wondering does kombucha make for a better lemonade, or using whey from yogurt? What are the differences in final product?I have been on a fermentation kick lately and have both homemade yogurt and kombucha! Thanks!
Beth says
I have made this and it is delicious, thank you for the recipe. How long would the lemonade last in the fridge?
Jenny says
We usually drink it within a week.
Naida says
Hi Jenny!
This is a brilliant idea! Love it! 🙂
Marsha says
This is my first time experimenting with fermentation. I followed the recipe, using ginger bug. The lemonade has been sitting on my counter in a flip top bottle for 3 days now. Is it normal for there to be a layer of cloudiness on the bottom of the container? Thanks for your help, and what looks like a yummy recipe!
Jenny says
It’s normal to get a bit of sediment.
Nicole says
Hi! So I did this and got mold in mine after 3 days. Any idea what I did wrong?
Jenny says
Hi Nicole,
Maybe give a look to the comments above. If you’ve followed ALL of the instructions and used the ingredients and equipment listed, someone pinpointed that not using sterilized equipment.
Liz says
I have made several batches of this probiotic lemonade. Unfortunately, the last 3 batches have had mold floating at the top of the flip-top bottle. I have warmed the honey and water (and cooled prior to adding to whey), and this last time I heat processed the bottles before using them to bottle the finished liquid. Does this mold mean my batch is no good? How do I eliminate mold in my ferment? Maybe coming from the lemons, as they were never heat treated? Thanks for you help!!
Jenny says
Hi Liz,
I’ve never had a problem with mold in years of making this, though some people seem to. Try sterilizing your bottles. Also, sometimes the milk solids in the whey coagulate and float to the top of the ferment and they look like mold, but aren’t.
Liz says
Thanks for the reply!! I sterilized the bottles in a hot water bath previous to this last batch. Only two of the bottles had a couple specks of blue fuzzy mold floating. The other two bottles just had what I am assuming to be milk solids floating. I am starting to think that maybe the cold temp in my kitchen is effecting my fermentation too much because the two bottles without mold were finished fermenting earlier than the bottles with mold. And altogether the entire batch took about 4-5 days longer to ferment than the successful batches I have had in the past. I’ll keep trying. Or just stick to making fermented beverages in summer weather:)
Cynthia says
Do you have to use the specific flip-top bottles for this recipe … can a canning jar with the two piece lid be used instead?!
I appreciate any suggestions you have … thank you!
Jenny says
Hi Cynthia,
I recommend using a flip-top bottle, but you could try a mason jar and let us know how it goes.
Kelli says
Hi Jenny,
I am excited to make a batch of this asap! Im wanting to use bottled Kombucha instead of whey. Will it still be the same ratio as the whey~ 1/2c? Thanks! Kelli
Jenny says
Hi Kelli,
I think that should work as long as it has live, active cultures. Some storebought kombuchas are pasteurized and then carbonated.
Kathy Hutton says
Loved your blog. Thanks for giving another product to use instead of whey! Those of us with whey allergy’s appreciate knowing what to use in place of the whey.
Tommi T. says
I just opened my first bottle. 7 days at room temp and 1 day in the fridge. I am so super impressed and excited. This sh*t is SO GOOD! I can’t wait to make lots and lots more. Hopefully I’ll move on to kombucha and water kefir next. xo.
Jenny says
So glad you like it!
Niki says
Have been interested in fermented sodas for a while and had tried a couple of very complicated and ultimately unsuccessful recipes before so, I’m very excited to find this clear and easy to follow recipe. Thanks for sharing. Will try it as soon as the weather warms up (winter here) and the lemons are back on the tree.
Sara says
Do you recommend giving this a light shake before pouring or leaving the sediment at the bottom?
Jenny says
Hi Sara,
I wouldn’t bother with shaking.
Fion says
Jenny Thank you so much for this wonderful recipe! Delicious! My kids loved it! I LOVED it! I made 3 bottles. I opened the first bottle after 4 days and it was not fizzy and too sweet. Then I opened the second bottle after 7 days. I only slightly tilted it before I opened it and it POPPED like Champagne and lemonade was flying off everywhere! It was a sticky mess to clean. I was super cautious with the 3rd bottle. And releasing the cap very slowly and all was good. My question is, people mentioned about “burping” the bottle. If I flip open the bottles once a day after day 4, would that affect the fermentation? What’s the best way to prevent an explosion like others mentioned? I’m so addicted to this lemonade soda!
Jenny says
Hi Fion,
Burping the bottles is a good way to check to see if they’re fizzy, but if you burp too often, you’ll lose your fizz entirely.
Jenn S. says
What can I use if I don’t have the flip top bottles? Can I use mason jars with lids?
Jenny says
Hi Jenn, we recommend flip-top bottles. If you use different equipment, please expect that your results may be different.
Adria says
Hi Jenny, Thanks so much for such an informative blog!!! I ordered some flip top bottles & was wondering how you sterilize them for the first time and after each use?
Jenny says
Hi Adria!
I just run my bottles through the dishwasher and call them good. To properly sterilize jars or bottles, follow this tutorial: http://nchfp.uga.edu/how/can_01/sterile_jars.html
karen says
Hi! Made this recipe (fresh organic lemons, whey strained from store-bought organic yogurt, flip-top bottles) and got lovely, super fizzy soda after 4 days. However, when poured into a glass and effervescing it has a fairly strong smell of ammonia (like a perm). It does not come as through as strongly in the flavor but am wondering if this is expected. I know that some lacto-bacteria can produce ammonia such as in Brie cheese but wanted to see what you thought. I have refrigerated half the bottles and left half out to see how they might change. Many thanks; love the site and the book!
Jenny says
Hi Karen,
I’ve never had any ferment smell of ammonia. When I make this lemonade, it smells faintly beer-like.
karen says
this definitely not beer-like or even like what they might describe as funky in cider-making. the best way I can describe it is like a perm smell in a salon. just thought someone might have some insights into anything being produced in a ferment. the whey was not perfectly clear when I used it and resulted in some sediment in the soda but nothing strange. could the strain of bacteria in a specific yogurt make a difference? I used Horizon brand (which might be part skim). I will try again with some Nancy’s Whole Milk Organic.
Jenny says
It could definitely be something in the culture. My homemade yogurt was originally started with Nancy’s. It might make a big difference.
Melissa says
I’ve strained some whey out of some store bought vanilla yogurt. Will this whey work for the recipe? And do I have to use the flip top bottles or can I use mason jars? Also, should the liquid be filled to the tippy top of the glass bottle or leave a bit of room for the bubbling to happen?
Jenny says
Hi Melissa,
I wouldn’t recommend vanilla yogurt, but you could try and let us know how it goes. I recommend using flip-top bottles, filling them to about half-way up the neck. I don’t recommend mason jars.
Molly says
Is it possible to use a different type of bottle?
Jenny says
I only recommend flip-top bottles.
Swapna Mazumder says
Hi,
Is the liquid left over from making paneer (indian cheese) the same as whey you describe. Thank you.
Jenny says
No.
Karen says
Just wondering how much headspace to leave when filling the bottles.
Jenny says
I usually fill about half-way up the neck of the bottle.
Angela says
Thanks for these recipes! We live in FL and the house is generally around 70-75 degrees so it did not take long AT ALL to ferment. I made my first ginger bug based on your recipe and it worked like a charm. I think by day 2 it was bubbling. Almost 48 hours after bottling the lemonade and it is super fizzy. I’m glad I checked it this afternoon cause I was worried about burping the bottles frequently enough. I find that it tastes great, more sweet than sour but I’m thinking because it worked so quickly? Tastes like deliciously sweet honey lemonade. Do you think that in a warm and humid that it would be typical to be ready in almost 2 days like ours did? Curious to your thoughts. Looking forward to trying other flavors 🙂
Kelly says
Looks great. Is there any reason I can’t use ginger bug rather than whey? I have a gb culture I’ve used for a while for ginger ale, but want to branch out to other sodas.
Jenny says
Ginger bug is mentioned above as an alternative to whey.
Kelly says
Ah, I should have read more closely. Thanks.
Alison says
Liked this one. Made according to recipe. But it was a little too much sugar for my liking (I stopped fermenting it when the top of the gallon ball jar I was using looked like it was going to pop off.) I suppose I could have fermented it longer, but I think I may experiment with a slightly less juice/honey to water ratio next time. But very tasty all the same. Thanks!
Jessica says
Thank you for sharing this Jenny.
Ill be heading to my Co-op tomorrow to grab some yogurt to make fresh whey for this recipie.
Ive never made a honey ferment before.
Excitied to share with my boys!!
Katy says
Mine is beautiful and fizzy and gets a foamy head like Boddington’s (ale?). It’s delicious! I had it on the counter for weeks and only opened it today for fear of an explosion. : )
All was well! Thanks for sharing this very nifty recipe.
Nick says
My bottles are 4 days old, and while both have some sediment in the bottom which I think is probably normal, neither of mine have the milk solids floating on top as others described, but one has a little light colored spherical floating ball on top! Is that a bad sign, or what might it be from?
Jenny says
Hi Nick! The blob might be yeast or whey, and it should be fine but you’re welcome to send us a picture at [email protected].
Marelize says
Just wondering,
I made ACV from scratch and have mother cultures forming. Could I maybe use either the mother culture or some acv instead of whey? I am on the AIP and any dairy is a no-no.
Jenny says
Hi Marelize,
No, I recommend making this recipe using the ingredients listed, and following the instructions listed.
story says
Love this recipe! I just popped open my first bottle and love the flavor, perfectly tart. And so easy to make! Also, I’m surprised at just how many commenters didn’t read the body of the post — you still so graciously answer their questions. 😉
Wendi says
We made the lemonade, let it sit in the kitchen for 7 days but when we opened it today it is not fizzy at all. I’ve never tried anything like this so am not sure what part I didn’t do correctly. I read through all the comments looking for advice. I made my own whey using yogurt, put it in the correct flip top bottles. We are going to try again. Even though it isn’t fizzy, it still tastes really good. We are mixing it with sparkling water and enjoying it regardless. When life gives you lemons…… 🙂
Jenny says
Oh no, Wendi! How disappointing. If it’s not fizzy after seven days only a few things could be the culprit: 1) your kitchen might be really cold (<68 F) or 2) the bacteria in your whey might not be fresh or lively enough. Given the time of year, my money's on the second: how old was the yogurt? Bacteria in whey is most active at its freshest (within about a week of being cultured).
Wendi says
Thank you for the reply. It may indeed have been the temperature. Last week it was only 6 celcius outside (although warmer inside!) and today it is 32 celcius outside (we are in Canada). I will try again the next time I make yogurt. As I said, it is still really tasty and the children and I are enjoying the entire process.
Anne says
is it possible to use bottled lemon juice for this? (i.e. will contain a sulphite).
thanks
Jenny says
You can try and let us know how it goes.
Jeanne says
I made this 5 days ago and was awoken in the middle of the night to an EXPLOSION! Yes, the bottle exploded in my kitchen – glass EVERYWHERE -the really bad news… I made 2 bottles and the other one is literally a ticking time bomb right now and I am afraid to even touch the bottle, I threw a towel over it and evacuated my children and dog from the kitchen. Beware!
Jenny says
Hi Jeanne! Yes – fermented beverages can certainly be explosive, though it’s pretty rare. Did you check your soda for bubbles and fizz on day four? I imagine it would have been plenty fizzy then, and you could drink it or transfer it to the fridge. Bacteria love warmth, and, in warmer kitchens, fermented drinks will become bubbly faster than they will in cold kitchens. You might take the second bottle outside, and flip its top so as to relieve the pressure and prevent another explosion.
Jeanne says
Thanks for responding Jenny – yes I did flip the tops open on day 4 to relieve some pressure. Temperature in the kitchen was only 73F – I must have had some pretty strong whey LOL! I’m just thanking GOD no one was in the kitchen when it exploded. As for the other bottle, I wrapped it in a heavy towel and released the pressure – 2nd disaster averted 🙂 I would like to say the results were tasty… but after spending a couple hours cleaning up glass that made it’s way into 3 rooms and mopping up a sticky floor, counter tops and cabinets, I can only say it was OK… but it was 4am and I may have been a tad cranky! I just wanted to let you know so that this potentially very dangerous situation does not happen to someone else – thanks again.
Jenny says
Yikes, Jeanne! You really do have some powerful whey. You’re timing’s right, and you’re kitchen’s not overly hot either. But, honestly, if I had to clean up three rooms of exploded honey soda, I think that would make it taste mighty bitter to me. It is *very* unusual to have a bottle explode, but it does happen. It happened once to us with a bottle of kombucha on a car trip, and it was super surprising.
Beth says
I’m happy and excited to make this and make use of my whey from yogurt. If I have refrigerated the whey do I need to heat it or get it to room temperature before adding ? Thanks –
Jenny says
Awesome, Beth! I hope you really like it. I’m glad you asked: You don’t need to let your whey come to room temperature before preparing the recipe. It should work just fine from the fridge, though it may take slightly longer to ferment. I will usually specify in a recipe if temperature of ingredients is important.
Beth says
Oh Thank you! I’ll go back to squeezing all these lemons now : )
Mallory Stevens says
Jenny,
I used this recipe and let the lemonade sit on the counter in flip top bottle for about 5 days. I found though that mold had developed on the top of the lemonade. And there was no carbonation. I cannot seem to get carbonation with any probiotic lemonade recipe.
So a 2 part question: what would cause the mold? and how can I achieve some fizziness?
Jenny says
Mallory,
How old was the whey you used, and was it drawn from yogurt/kefir with live active bacteria? This recipe should produce a super bubbly lemonade: https://www.instagram.com/p/BFMgc_hLBn4/?taken-by=nourishedkitchen
Teresa says
I have made this with my daughter and there are white bits on top plus what looks like a small darker patch of mould .. Assume I need to thrown it out .. As we are also doing anti candida ? Advice ? What went wrong ?
Jenny says
Hi Teresa,
I’m curious as to whether you followed this recipe exactly, including using the equipment recommended (flip-top bottles). Your comment and experience make me wonder if you used mason jars which make ferments more prone to mold contamination. A small bit of creaminess at the top is NORMAL and a result of milk solids left in whey, especially if it was a cloudy whey, but black spot are not okay and are typically seen when people don’t use the right equipment. Also, if you’re following an anticandida diet, this recipe is really not appropriate – as it is fermented and contains a large amount of honey.
Lynne says
Can you use goat’s milk whey from making soft goat cheese?
Jenny says
Hi Lynne –
Your whey needs to be a source of live, active bacteria. We recommend using whey from yogurt or kefir. Whey made after heating cultured milk and whey made by acidulating milk (both practices in some cheesemaking) will not work and should not be used.
Cara says
When making ricotta, does the liquid you strain off that count as whey even though the milk is heated to make it separate?
Jenny says
Hi Cara,
Your whey needs to be a source of live, active bacteria. We recommend using whey from yogurt or kefir. Whey made after heating cultured milk and whey made by acidulating milk (both practices in some cheesemaking) will not work and should not be used.
Cara says
Very helpful, thank you!
mark summers says
I tried this recipe, my first time attempting to make a fermented beverage. I added a little to it by adding some berries to the water and stepping them around 30 min, then stained it and allowed the water to cool down to around 100° before dissolving the honey (and a little extra coconut sugar). It’s been 4 days now, and a few bottles have what looks to be mold floating on top. Kind of off-white in color, and all the bottles have sediment in the bottom, at least I think it’s sediment, it kind of looks like it possibly could be a fungus? Not sure. I cracked open one bottle and took a sip. It smells fine, and didn’t taste bad, though there was no fizz yet.
Any suggestions?
Jenny says
Hi Mark,
It’s important, especially when making something for the first time, that you follow a recipe exactly making no adjustments to ingredients, technique, or equipment. The addition of berries and coconut sugar are two factors that can impact the final result, especially depending on how much you added. The formation of sediment is normal, and likely higher because of the changes you made to the recipe. The creamy substance on top is likely milk solids leftover from the whey, in the event that you used cloudy instead of clear whey – and it should make no difference as to the quality of the brew. Remember also that four days is the early end of the spectrum for developing fizz.
My suggestion would be to make the recipe as instructed, using the ingredients and equipment called for and making no other adjustments.
mark summers says
Thanks, that’s encouraging. I added the berries because I found an identical recipe to this one, apart from the berries of course. It seemed like a perfect marriage, lemon-berry soda.
Also, the bottle I checked was only half filed (it was what was left after filling the other bottles), would this effect the amount of “fizz” produced?
Julia Mueller says
I LOVE lactofermented lemonade! I love how creamy and flavorful it is – and so full of health benefits! I’ve never made it using honey, so this post is quite the inspiration to get brewing. 😀
Megan says
After following the directions and allowing the contents to sit for 4 days I had a small amount of black mold spots and other mold rise to the top and develop in my jars. From my understanding this is NOT a good thing. Is this batch a loss? Also, why would you not recommend Mason jars? Thanks!
Jenny says
Hi Megan,
When I read that you had mold form in “jars,” I realize that you used jars and did not follow the instructions of the recipe using the equipment recommended in the recipe (flip-top bottles). If you have mold formation, a few things could be happening 1) you used the wrong equipment, and/or 2) your whey may not have been fresh with plenty of lively bacteria. Please discard this batch, and follow the recipe using the recommended equipment and fresh whey drawn from yogurt or kefir.
Mason jars are not a good fit for this because their seal is unreliable, and allows for the potential contamination of the soda with stray microbes and mold. Further, because of their unreliable seal, you’re less likely to get a solid fizz from them. Mason jars also have a larger surface area on which mold can form and, depending on how much liquid you left in the jars, if there was a lot of headspace the formation of mold is more likely.
hillary bergh says
hi Jenny
I made this according to your recipe on 5/9, using kombucha, letting it sit on my kitchen counter which is 65-75degF depending if I’m cooking. after waiting 3 days, I opened 1 bottle to find it was not fizzy at all and was also quite cloyingly sweet. I just opened a 2nd bottle, still not fizzy and still pretty sweet. 1 cup of honey seems like a LOT and I’m wondering if it might have been too much? would having too much overwhelm the probiotics from the kombucha? I figure I’ll try again with 1/2 cup but was curious of your take. thanks for the inspiration regardless! 🙂
Jenny says
Hi Hillary,
No, 1 cup of honey is not “too much” for the probiotics. Honey, when watered down, promotes the proliferation of bacteria and does not inhibit them. I am wondering if you stirred your kombucha before you added it to the bottles? Sometimes kombucha settles, which can result in unreliable carbonation. If you stir it up before adding it or bottling it, you’ll get more reliable fizz. Also, the minimum time for this ferment is 4 days, not three, and your kitchen runs on the cooler side of room temperature so it may take longer to ferment.
hillary says
thanks Jenny.
yes, I did gently stir up the kombucha to ensure the stuff that settles was included. the 2nd bottle I opened at day 6 was also not fizzy and was still very sweet, I haven’t tried the 3rd bottle yet… I’ll guess I’ll make another batch! maybe I’ll put the bottles atop my fridge to get things a couple degrees warmer.
Jenny says
I think that’s a good idea – keeping it a little warmer would be a great idea, and stirring up that kombucha will yield much better results! You can probably actually just add to your current batch, rebottle, and not waste anything.
Becky says
How long will this keep without going bad? Or will it never go bad?
Jenny says
It should keep 6 months, in the fridge, but keep in mind that carbonation will continue to build up – posing a risk that it may burst. So burp it if you plan to keep it longer than a week.
Patricia Rech says
Just answered my previous question. Burp makes so much sense, especially in warmer climes. thanks!
Deborah S says
I make my own cheese from organic fresh, non pasturized milk. Can I use this whey?
Jenny says
No, please read above.
Tiffany says
With all fermenting I worry about ‘bad’ bacteria… other than having sterile equipment how do you prevent the bad stuff?
Jenny says
Hi Tiffany,
I know that for many newcomers to fermentation, there’s definitely a feeling of trepidation. It’s not necessary to sterilize equipment (clean equipment is important). Here’s the thing, fermentation inherently prevents the “bad stuff” from forming. This is why properly fermented foods are a relatively low risk for foodborne illness, especially when compared to something like prewashed salad greens, sliced melon or salsa fresca. These “bad” microbes don’t grow in highly acidic environments like those created during fermentation. When fermenting vegetables, remember to use a fermentation crock, and keep your vegetables fully submerged in brine. Follow directions for making fermented foods exactly, and really don’t sweat it. Knowledge will make you feel more comfortable so consider reading Sandor Katz’ book the Art of Fermentation.
Mary says
Me again! Ha! I really want to get started fermenting but have held back because of this fear. I live in a very hot and very humid environment and have no access to specialized equipment such as fermentation crocks. When I dipped my toes into the fermentation world, I started with milk kefir and got very sick from it. So many other sites say “no special equipment needed” yet I am now very hesitant to try. Any advice or links to resources for fermenting in hot climates?
Thanks!
Jenny says
Hi Mary,
We see a lot of cold-climate fermented foods gaining popularity now. These include kefir, kvass and sauerkraut. My recommendation to you would be to explore those ferments that were traditionally created in HOT climates: preserved limes (Vietnam), preserved lemons (Morocco), poi (Hawaii), yogurt (Middle East). If you try other ferments, keep in mind that heat decreases, sometimes dramatically, the amount of time they need to ferment and you may get strange or off-flavors from too speedy a ferment and not enough time aging.
Chrissie says
Thanks for this recipe! Can I ferment it in a mason jar with the lid screwed on tight?
Jenny says
Hi Chrissie, I recommend using the equipment outlined in the recipe.
Mary says
I am outside of the US and cannot find any bottles similar to the ones you use. I’m also in a very hot and humid environment so worry about trying this out with other types of jars or bottles. Any suggestions?
Jenny says
Many people save Grolsch beer bottles and use them to effectively ferment the drink.
Patricia Rech says
The packaged kefir I have been using (not milk kefir) requires, during the fermentation, an opening of the bottle to release pent-up gasses. Is that true of this process?
Aleathe Beddow says
What can I use instead of honey in all your recipes as I’m allergic to it?
Jenny says
Hi Aleathe, I recommend simply avoiding recipes that contain ingredients to which you’re allergic.
Shea says
I’ve made this recipe w organic sugar before and it works just fine 🙂 It has taken extra days to make it ferment sometimes, but essentially it ends up tasting tangy and fizzy and delicious.
Tami says
does the honey have to be raw, and could you use a dehydrated cane sugar instead?
Jenny says
I recommend making this recipe exactly as described. You can try the recipe substituting cane sugar and let us know how it goes.
Tami says
it just says honey. it doesn’t state whether or not it has to be raw. just wondering.
Jenny says
Tami, raw vs. pasteurized honey won’t make a difference in this (or most recipes), but we would definitely specify one or the other if it did.
Joyce says
I was looking at a recipe that said to fir up. Please tell me what that term means…I’m sure it has something to do with fermentation…
Thank You!
The nurturechef ….Joyce
Jenny says
Since we didn’t create the recipe you’re asking for help with, I can’t provide it. I recommend you contact the recipe author and ask them for clarification.
Patricia Rech says
Maybe a typo for “firm” up?
Hafsa says
I love this drink. I will try this drink soon 🙂
Elizabeth says
Thank you for the great site and recipe!
Trudy says
Oh that sounds very refreshing gota try it, I’m always thirty…. and drink lots of water so something different should be good thanksgiving you Trudy!!!
April says
Hi,
I’ve been told not to use honey when fermenting as the honey will kill the bacteria. What are your thoughts?
Thank you,
April
Jenny says
April,
It’s a common misconception that honey can’t be used in fermentation, and it is often repeated. Honey is antimicrobial due to its low water content (so are sugar and salt), as soon as you increase that water content, honey will support the proliferation of bacteria. If honey killed bacteria and negatively affected fermentation the world wouldn’t have Mead, Sima (Finnish Lemon and Honey Beer), T’ej (Ethiopian Honey Wine), Jun (a ferment of green tea and honey).
Nathalie Seguin says
This looks so simple ! I have been shying away from trying to make my own Kombucha and other fermented drinks. I may venture into this fascinating world with this one!!!
Hilla says
Can I use a powder kefir starter kit instead of whey?
Jenny says
You can try and let us know how it goes.
elizabeth thompson says
could you use whey left over from cheese making?
Jenny says
Hi Elizabeth,
Your whey needs to be a source of live, active bacteria. Depending on how you made your cheese, that may or may not be the case. We recommend using whey from yogurt or kefir. Whey made after heating cultured milk and whey made by acidulating milk (both practices in some cheesemaking) will not work and should not be used.
Natalie says
Yum! My son is on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet and he can have all these ingredients!
Alyssa says
Once you make a batch can you reserve some as the starter or does it need to be a fresh whey (or other) starter each time?
Jenny says
You could try and let us know how it goes.
Justine says
Hi there, thanks for this yummy recipe. If I wanted to use kombucha in place of the whey, how much, and when should I be adding it? Will any other part of the recipe need to be altered?
Jenny says
I recommend replacing kombucha 1:1 for whey and making no other alterations.
Jackie says
Where do you recommend getting whey from? I’m new to fermenting!
Jenny says
Hi Jackie, that process is described above in the post.
Rachel says
Can I use milk kefir whey to start this?
Joy says
“Fresh whey is the liquid that accumulates on top of your yogurt, and it is also the liquid leftover when you make homemade yogurt or milk kefir and strain it.” Herewith the answer to your question – an extract straight from the above article…
Jenny says
Yes.
Tracy says
I would find it helpful to know where I can find fresh whey, what form it comes in and whether it is different from whey protein because when I search whey ‘protein powder’ is the only result.
Jenny says
Hi Tracy, You can find the answer to your question by reading the post above. Do not use whey protein powder.
Megan says
mmm looks so great! I saw you open the bottle on the beach over on the gram 😉
Erin says
In my experience, firmented juice becomes an alcoholic beverage very quickly. Does this lemonade become alcoholic?
Jenny says
Hi Erin,
I receive some form of your question at least weekly. First, I’m wondering if you’ve ever actually tested the alcohol content in a recipe like this before?
Fermented soft drinks like this one will have small amounts of alcohol. It usually ranges from .05% to 1.5% abv. Yeast-based brews (like Russian kvass, kombucha, jun, or ginger bug)will have more than one made from yogurt whey.
It’s important to consider the question of alcohol as it relates to other food and drink you probably consider innocuous. For example, nonalcoholic beer usually has an alcohol content of .4%, and a ripe banana of .9%. So a drink like this will have a similar alcohol content to ripe and overripe fruit.
Remember, ample research shows that small to moderate amounts of alcohol are *good* for the body. Further, you would, ideally, drink only modest amounts of any soft drink (including s naturally fermented one) and rely on water for your hydration.
Bonnie Redmond says
Thanks Jenny great information
Lisa says
Dairy Free due to allergy. How do I make this without Whey?
Jenny says
Those options are described in the article above.
miapatatina says
Can I use a pre-bought culture starter like body ecology? thanks!
Jenny says
You can try and let us know how it goes.
Jennifer says
Where do I get whey?
And if using ginger bug instead , how much?
Thanks!
Jenny says
How to make whey is described in the article above. You can replace ginger bug 1:1 for whey.
Patricia Rech says
Strain yogurt, as posted earlier. The liquid left is whey.
Greta deJong says
I will take your word for it, and try it ~ obviously, it’s working! So this means that… even though honey is antiseptic and antimicrobial, it actually feeds probiotics???
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23782759
Antimicrobial properties of honey. Israili ZH1. Author information Abstract
Honey has been widely accepted as food and medicine by all generations, traditions, and civilizations, both ancient and modern. For at least 2700 years, honey has been used by humans to treat a variety of ailments through topical application, but only recently have the antiseptic and antimicrobial properties of honey been discovered. Honey has been reported to be effective in a number of human pathologies. Clinical studies have demonstrated that application of honey to severely infected cutaneous wounds rapidly clears infection from the wound and improves tissue healing. A large number of in vitro and limited clinical studies have confirmed the broad-spectrum antimicrobial (antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, and antimycobacterial) properties of honey, which may be attributed to the acidity (low pH), osmotic effect, high sugar concentration, presence of bacteriostatic and bactericidal factors (hydrogen peroxide, antioxidants, lysozyme, polyphenols, phenolic acids, flavonoids, methylglyoxal, and bee peptides), and increase in cytokine release, and to immune modulating and anti-inflammatory properties of honey; the antimicrobial action involves several mechanisms. Despite a large amount of data confirming the antimicrobial activity of honey, there are no studies that support the systemic use of honey as an antibacterial agent.
Jenny says
It’s a common misconception that honey can’t be used in fermentation, and it is often repeated. Honey is antimicrobial due to its low water content (so are sugar and salt), as soon as you increase that water content, honey will support the proliferation of bacteria. If honey killed bacteria and negatively affected fermentation the world wouldn’t have Mead, Sima (Finnish Lemon and Honey Beer), T’ej (Ethiopian Honey Wine), Jun (a ferment of green tea and honey).
kathy says
Im new to your site and all the fermented wonderfulness you make, and i want to get started, where do i get fresh whey?
Jenny says
Hi Kathy, That process is described in the post above.
Lexi says
I also need more info about the whey. I see the description above, but it refers to getting the whey from homemade yogurt or kefir. I want to try this recipe but it will literally be the first fermented food or drink I attempt to make. I don’t have home made yogurt or kefir floating around to strain whey from. When you refer to kombucha as an alternative to the whey do you mean the scoby thing or the already made kombucha? Can I use the bottled raw kombucha from the store? Is there a way to buy the whey somewhere? Thanks in advance for your help. =)
Jenny says
Hi Lexi,
Yes, in the post above I describe how you get fresh whey. I don’t know how I can be clearer about that.
When you see anyone (me or anyone else) refer to kombucha, they’re referring to kombucha tea, and when you see them refer to a kombucha scoby or mother or mushroom, they’re referring to the scoby.
Jan says
Jenny. I followed you recipe exactly but on the third day mold began to grow on the surface what did o do wrong?
Jenny says
Hi Jan,
Often when I hear that someone made the recipe “exactly,” but had problems, I realize on speaking with them, that they didn’t make the recipe exactly; rather, they often made changes that they thought to be small and without impact that were, in actuality, extremely impactful, so forgive my line of questioning if indeed you did make the recipe “exactly.”
First, are you certain it’s mold that you see? If you used whey, you will often see milk solids rise to the top of the bottle and form a creamy cap or bubble. It’s understandable that people confuse this with mold when it really isn’t.
Second, did you use fresh lemon juice? Pasteurized, bottle lemon juice may have been the culprit.
Third, was your whey fresh and was it from yogurt or kefir?
Fourth, did you use flip-top bottles (and fill them to the neck?) If so, on how many did mold appear?
Jan says
Thank you for answering my question – for reference I never change a recipe until I have made it as is once. I made the whey from store bought yogurt. Not sure how to make it from Kefir since it is a liquid. Used fresh lemons – there was some pulp – should I have strained? Honey had to be heated because it had crystallized but I let it cool to room temp. Used the right bottles – in fact used your link to Amazon to order. The only thing I can think of from your reply had to do with filling the bottles all the way up. I did not go all the way to the top (perhaps 1/2″ left open). And yes it was definitely mold on all three bottles. Any other tips before I try again?
How do I make whey from Kefir by the way?
Jenny says
Can you shoot a picture to [email protected]?
Jan says
Oh no – I should have thought of that. I just threw it out today so I could put the bottles through the dishwasher. Would like to try the Kefir this time. I buy it from the store – will that make a difference? I would really like this recipe to work. By the
way, how long can I keep this in the refrig after making?
Jenny says
It sounds like you did everything by the book here, so I’m really stumped. Would love to have seen a photo to help me troubleshoot further. My only guess (and it’s just a guess at this point) is that the yogurt that you got the whey from may have been a little old or may not have had many live bacteria. We usually drink ours within about 10 days. It should keep longer, but I don’t have room in my fridge to test and see.
ML says
We boiled our bottles for our second batch, because our first looked like it had mold. (Could have simply been yeast, but was black.) By starting the bottles upside down in a huge stock pot in room temperature water, and bringing them up to a boil SLOWLY, we had no glass shatter. We then let them in the rolling boil for about 20 minutes. The batch we made with these had only the solids that seemed to match the “color” of the rest of our beverage. It was so fizzy and yummy this time.
Jenny says
That’s really interesting feedback, ML. Boiling equipment in advance is a great tip.
cindy says
you can also sterilize your bottles (without plastic/rubber parts) by placing them in an oven at 220 for 10 minutes. i let them cool in the oven till i’m ready to use them.
Kathy Hutton says
I thought it was 270*
Patricia Rech says
Strain yogurt, the liquid left is whey.
Kristin says
This sounds great, but honey is so expensive. I’m assuming I can achieve the same fermentation with sugar?
Jenny says
You can try and let us know how it goes.
ML says
Following. Ours was too sweet for our taste buds and the honey was a bit demanding. I am also curious about table sugar, or using less honey. I will probably try both.
Jan Penner says
I not a fan of honey. Could I use agave?
Jenny says
Hi Jan, I recommend making the recipe using the ingredients above. For what it’s worth, we’re not big fans of agave around here: https://nourishedkitchen.com/whats-your-take-on-agave-nectar/. That said, you might try it and see if it works for you.
Jan Penner says
I made the soda exactly how you said and it turned out delicious. After 4 days it was fizzy so we chilled and opened a bottle. Wow, that stuff will always be in my frig. Thanks for a deliciously fun recipe. I’m anxious to try other variations.
Jenny says
So glad you like it! Yes, it’s pretty easy to make variations. We tried a blackberry version recently that was amazing.
Jan Penner says
I’m anxious to make the Ginger Raspberry soda. My Ginger Bug has been in the frig for 6 days and I have been adding to it each day as you said. How long before I can use it?
Jan Penner says
Oops. I just reread the Ginger Bug recipe. I did not let it sit out, I have kept it in the frig all the time. I’ll start over and do better this time.
AM Hunter says
Considering the huge amount of time and cost that goes into caring for a honey bee colony and harvesting the honey, I am certain that the public does not recognize the real value of raw, local honey! If they did, they would most certainly not claim that it’s too expensive!
Howard says
Sugar is toxic, honey has a lot of benefits
Erica says
Excited to see this one. My daughter has been loving her kombucha, and a raspberry soda we made from whey. Hmm, might have to consider raspberry lemonade after I make sure I do this one right!
I do have one question though. The last batch of soda I made from whey seemed to have a yeasty section that pushed out of the bottle before we got to the soda. I figured it could have been because my whey wasn’t clear (I think the kefir got past the strainer). Have you ever had this happen?
Jenny says
Hi Erica,
When whey is cloudy, it’s just a sign that there’s more milk solids in the whey than when it’s clear. These milk solids can accumulate and rise to the top causing a foamy plug of sorts This, coupled with kefir’s natural yeast content, means that, from time to time, you’ll see a plug. It’s like the yeast accumulation in a bottle of kombucha – not bad or dangerous by any means – but it could be a texture issue, in which case straining it is the best option.
Erica says
Thank you. It still tasted great, but I’m rather glad for the confirmation. We’re making this recipe this weekend. Can’t wait to taste it!