Bone broth is a staple of my family’s diet. As with healthy fats, heirloom vegetables, grass-fed meats and a good old-fashioned cod liver oil, we consume a lot of bone broths – usually aiming for one quart per person per day, at the recommendation of our nutritionist. Broth, you see, is a nutritional powerhouse. It is extraordinarily rich in easy-to-assimilate minerals, amino acids and goodies like glucosamine chondroitin. Its gelatin helps to heal the gut, which is why it plays such an integral role in the GAPS diet, and it provides powerful medicine – particularly in combating colds and flus.
And, you did read that right: we do aim for one quart per adult per day (the little one of the household gets at least a pint). That’s a lot of broth. Let me do the math for you. That’s between two and three quarts per day, averaging to about four and a half gallons of broth each week for our family. Yes, as you might imagine, soups and stews are a big part of our day, more so in the winter than in the summer. When I serve breakfast, I serve it with a mug of broth and another mug of broth sits at my desk as I work.
It’s a beautiful thing, really, and I credit good broth, cod liver oil and of fermented foods with the resilient immunity my family enjoys each flu season. We also use these unconventional techniques to fight the flu and build immunity.
So how do we make enough broth?
So if you’re wondering just how I manage working at home full time, homeschooling our 6-year old with making four and a half gallons of bone broth each week, I’ll tell you. I slow cook it. I call it perpetual soup. You see, my six-quart slowcooker (kinda like this one) is my cauldron. That is, it is always on – bubbling away and ready to nourish my family with the bounty of the bones that stew away every hours of every day.
Once a week, I place the frame of a roast chicken into the slow cooker, cover it with filtered water (We use a Berkey to filter our water, and you can find them online.), toss in a few bay leaves, black peppercorns and vegetable scraps, turn it on and call it good. As I pull broth from the slow cooker, I filter it through a reusable coffee filter which helps to strain out any floating herbs, chicken skin or pieces of bone and results in a beautiful clear broth. As I remove broth, I add water and continue the process throughout the week – ensuring that by the end of the week every bit of goodness has been pulled from that chicken frame.
And, in case you’re worried about the cost of keeping your slow cooker on twenty-four hours a day, every day of the week, the estimated cost of running your slow cooker is about $0.01 to $0.03 per hour – for a total cost of $1.68 to $5.04 for the week. Undoubtedly worth it. Learn more about energy-wise cooking here.
Slow Cooker Bone Broth Recipe
Ingredients
- 1 whole chicken (or the frame of a roasted chicken)
- 2 sweet bay leaves
- 1 tablespoon black peppercorns
- 1/2 cup white wine
- 12 cups water
Instructions
- Place one whole chicken or the frame of a roasted chicken into your slow cooker with sweet bay, black peppercorns, and wine into your slow cooker. Cover with filtered water and cook on low for 12 hours.
- Strain the broth, and then shred and reserve the remaining meat. Use it right away or pour into jars and store in the fridge up to 1 week.
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I’d like to do this during the colder months. I prefer to mix beef and chicken bones. However, I read that cooking for longer than 48 hours produces an off, bitter taste because the soup “turns”. Have you experienced this? I also wondered if it’s hard on the slow cooker to not get a break for so long. Could it overheat or cause a fire? Do you let it cool and wash the crock on the 7th day and then start it right back up again the same day?
Can you do this with beef bones, too?
I feel like an idiot! We’ve been GAPS and making broth at home for YEARS and I always thought it needed 2 days and then I had to put it all in the fridge in bottles and dump the carcass and start over. It was so much work, I’d often leave the carcass in there going bad for a week before I’d get to dealing with cleaning my croxck to start over and be using meat stock in my big pot the rest of the time. Well, thank you! No more stupidness for me!
Had a few questions I hadn’t been able to find answers to after reading through your article:
1. I notice you don’t use apple cider vinegar, which I was told to use to help leech out the minerals from the bones. Do you not need it?
2. My slow cooker can be set to “high”, “low”, or “keep warm”… on high or low, I can set time to 20 hours and the broth boils at these settings. I worry this is so high that I’m over-cooking and zapping our anything healthy. On “keep warm” broth is luke warm and I worry it’s not a high enough temperature to kill harmful bacteria. What temperature or setting is best for perpetual broth?
3. If the broth takes 24 hours to leech out the goodness, aren’t you just getting a more dilute/less potent broth after each use through the week? Or should I keep adding vinegar before bed to help leech out more minerals and nutrients?
Hi Chrissy:
1) People use apple cider vinegar in broth, but I prefer none or wine. Apple Cider Vinegar WILL NOT help to leach minerals from the bones. Bone broth is not mineral-rich, even when ACV is used (more here). ACV (or any acidic ingredient) will help gelatin formation.
2) I wouldn’t recommend you make perpetual bone broth with your slow cooker. I would recommend that you make broth once, and then reuse the bones once more.
3) You can make good quality broth in less time. I don’t recommend adding vinegar as it will not create a mineral rich broth.
I love this idea! Can the original chicken be a raw chicken or does it need to be already roasted? Looking forward to starting this this week! My family will love it!
Good morning! I’ve always used your recipes for bone broth and have loved the perpetual broth. It’s become a staple in my kitchen. Today I want to make it in my Instant Pot. Can you do the same thing? Draw off the broth after a round and re-add water and go again?
When I make broth in the instantpot, I do it for 90 minutes. You can use the bones a second time if you like.
If you use a whole chicken do you toss the meat at the end of the week as well (are all nutrients leached from the meat?) or do you use the meat throughout the week as you strain your portion?
Do you ever put a little apple cider vinegar in the broth to help get the minerals out?
Hi Shane,
Adding apple cider vinegar will not make your stock or broth rich in minerals, you can read more here: https://nourishedkitchen.com/bone-broth-minerals/
Do you make this with a whole, cooked chicken or a raw chicken?
So you’re saying that it is safe to leave the chicken meat in the cockpot all week as long as it continues to simmer? If so will the meat still be edible at the end of the week or will it be too overcooked?
When I pull broth out of the crock pot and try to use it right away, it always tastes very greasy/fatty. I’ve been having to put it in the fridge overnight so that I can scrape off the fat that comes to the top before using it. Any idea what I’m doing wrong?
What’s happening is that you’re not likely using a clean carcass, that is: instead of using the leftover frame of a roast chicken your family has eaten and thus taken the skin and meat off of leaving very little but the bones, you’re using a bird with too much meat and bones, a whole bird or beef or pork bones. Which is fine, but making broth also renders fat which will rise to the surface making the initial broth unpalatable, so you can skim it off, you can use a fat separator or you can put the initial broth in the fridge where the fat will separate.
I assume you can, but can you do this with beef bones too?
Have you ever done the week long cooking process with beef bones? Any issues? I really like the perpetual cooking idea!
I have not, but others in the comments have.
If the bones have gone soft enough to crumble, they will be safe to feed to pets as a good source of calcium. I add a splash of cider vinegar with the water, too. The acid helps pull out the minerals.
Hello, Jenny.
I was so excited when I came across this link because I need to go on the gaps introduction diet. This recipe will be so helpful getting started initially and I plan on using it for the rest of my life. 😉
I made my basted chicken yesterday evening and wanted to see if it’s okay to use the juice as part of the liquid that I put into the crockpot to make my soup? I have a feeling that you’re going to say no, but I thought I would ask just in case.
Thanks for your post. I look forward to your reply.
Warmly,
lisa bennett
Hi. I was wondering if chicken bone broth is better then beef bone broth? Also can you freeze bone broth?
Informative and easy to follow. Looking forward to starting my perpetual chicken stock pot.
I went to all the effort of making a slow cooked chicken broth once, I cooked it overnight and all day the next day, all the while HATING the smell that wafted through the house. But I was sick and knew it was good for me so I persevered. When it was finally done, I made it into a beautiful soup full of fresh veggies and other goodness. At long last I was ready to sit down to a bowl with my stuffy nose! Nope. I gagged with every mouthful, it just had this horribly sickening taste that I just couldn’t handle. Apparently I reallllllly hate bone broth (of the chicken variety at least). I ended up throwing it all on the garden. Do I dare attempt a beef broth? I’m still undecided. Wish I enjoyed it, every time I read about them they sound so comforting and delicious, but it just made me want to vomit 🙁
Hi Kelly,
If you’ve ever enjoyed soup, you’ve enjoyed broth, so it might be that you overcooked your broth, or didn’t degrease it, but broth should never taste “sickening.” Beef broth is much more difficult to master.
Have you tried roasting the bones first….I love it? Feel the same about if I don’t. 350 for 1/2 hr
Hi there Jenny,
My name’s Sara. I work as a Clinical Nutritionist and I’m currently putting together a small program/guide for prospective patients of mine and there’s a section regarding bone broths in there.
I personally used your recipe and information for my own broths when I first started making them and I wanted to get in touch to see how you felt about me referencing your website for my program?
I was hoping to have a ‘resources’ page at the end of the guide that would either have your bone broth recipe and reference in there, or simply just the website link for people to come directly to your site for the recipe.
I completely understand if you don’t feel comfortable with this; I just thought I would get in touch to discuss it with you.
Thank you very much for your time!
Best wishes,
Sara
Hi Sara,
You can reference the website, but please don’t republish any content in any capacity or in any format.
Jenny, thank you for sharing. That is pretty efficient. You took time to measure the energy cost. I wonder what nutritional benefit you derive over days 2-5 or 7? I’d be interested to know, if you have a measure of that. I can’t think it does not drop off, though I have no idea how much or how little you lose per day. And, are you talking a full seven days? Also, since you begin with and add back only water (as in no apple cider vinegar), what is pulling mineral from the bones and what continues to add some measure of flavor to the broth as the week progresses? Thank you and bon appetit!
Hi Jenna,
To get that information, you’d have to submit the broth, at significant cost, to labs throughout the process of cooking, a process I’m not interested in (or able to afford). Vinegar does not help in any significant way to pull minerals from bones, and bone broths are not particularly mineral-dense (made with or without vinegar or other acids).
Hi, first time visitor and subscriber to your great site. I find after 24 hours the bones are super soft and crumble. Does this mean I need a new chicken to ensure I’m still getting the same amount of nutrients from my broth?
Lovely to read about your perpetual bone broth and it’s healing power. I have started cooking it and find it very beneficial. I would like to ask if you use beef bones for your soup? I have been using them and find that the longer I boil them the soup get thicker and more tasty，possibly due to the disintegration of the bone tissue which takes a lot of boiling for beef bones. I wonder though how many times is it safe to reboil and reuse the bones. Would appreciate your feedback.
After 10 hours, my crockpot goes from a low to warm. When I add for a water? Do I need to turn it back up to low? Or is it OK to leave it on warm all week? Is that hot enough?
Hi Jenny,
I’m trying this crockpot chicken bone broth this week. The first batch had a lot of flavor and body. The second batch was less flavorful and rich. Admittedly, I filtered the broth & emptied the whole crockpot of broth before starting a second batch with the bones. I added some more spices and celery, but am wondering how you keep it flavorful, and if it’s still nutritious despite being more watered down the second time.
Thanks,
Jennifer R
I have never made broth this way (have always done it on the stovetop) but am interested in this method for the convenience and ready supply. I wonder, does the abundance of benefits decrease the more you reuse the same bones? How long do you use the same bones before you switch out? We eat a lot of chicken, mainly legs and thighs, and save the bones in the freezer tonhave a supply. Thanks!
Is it one whole cooked chicken or raw?
Ok, for for those who are wondering the safe thing that I’ve been wondering. Is it safe to use the warm setting after initial cooking and what are the temperatures of the settings, here’s what I’ve found out.
“Per Crock Pot Customer Service:
Thank you for contacting Crock-Pot, a brand of Jarden Consumer Solutions. Both the Low & High settings cook at 215 degrees F., but they cycle differently. Therefore, the High setting will still cook the food in a shorter period of time than the Low setting will. Please remember that these are all approximate temperatures and they can vary depending on what you are cooking. It can also boil on High and Low. We do recommend that you always fill your slow cooker at least 1/2 – 3/4 of the way full with liquid or sauce, and you may also have to adjust your cook times accordingly. This will prevent the food from drying out and burning.
Also:
The warm setting is around 165°”
Then There are also this:
Cooking meats in your Crock-Pot® slow cooker is perfectly safe. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, bacteria in food is killed at a temperature of 165°F. Meats cooked in the Crock-Pot® slow cooker reach an internal temperature of 170° in beef and as high as 190°F in poultry. It is important to follow the recommended cooking times and to keep the cover on your slow cooker during the cooking process. Every time that you remove the cover, add an additional 20 minutes to the cooking time.
• If your food isn’t done after 8 hours when the recipe calls for 8 to 10 hours, this could be due to voltage variations which are commonplace everywhere; due to altitude or even extreme humidity. The slight fluctuations in power do not have a noticeable effect on most appliances; however, it can slightly alter the cooking times. Allow plenty of time, and remember, it is practically impossible to overcook. You will learn through experience whether to decrease or increase cooking times.
A good solution to find the temperature that a crock pot actually cooks at, (that is, in Fahrenheit degrees) you might want to insert an instant read thermometer in the (for example, insert the probe end of the thermometer into the center of say, a roast) crockpot about half way throught the cooking process…..BTW, this hint was shared with me by another professional in the culinary field….
ADDENDUM:
Then I found this tidbit:
Question:
What temperatures do the “Low” and “High” settings reach?
Answer:
We can not specify temperature ranges for the “High” or “Low” settings. Our slow cookers differentiate “High” and “Low” by wattage. These wattages are set to ensure that a standard food load (as described in AHAM spec SC-1-1979) will reach a safe internal temperature within approximately four hours. The wattage required to do this is different for different models, and many variables are involved; (start temperature, food load, room temperature, etc.). Eventually slow cookers will reach a maximum temperature, however the temperature will be different for different environmental conditions and different food loads. Given enough time most food loads will reach the same maximum temperature on both “Low” and “High.”
So leaving the Crock pot on warm should be safe after cooking.
Is it safe to leave the crock pot on the warm setting, or do you leave it on low?
Would you put a full raw chicken in at the beginning of the week? It can go all week and the meat is ok or do you need to shred it within the first day or so??
I think it is important to mention a safety precaution that I have understood: When adding more water, the water should be boiling hot already, so as not to cool the broth down enough to allow bacteria to grow.
Does the bone broth stay rich in flavor even though you keep adding water to it throughout the week?
My slow cooker turns from low setting to warm after 10 hrs. Should I keep it on the warm setting or should I keep changing it back to low after the 10 hrs?
Hello all, I am a very new to the broth making community. this will be my second gallon batch. The first time I tried it with chicken carcasses and now with beef marrow bones. I really need some advice, because despite following recipes exactly, my broth is not gelatinous like the one in the video. My first batch was no gelatinous at all until after a few days of refridgeration, the second marrow batch I made yesterday, took it out of the fridge today skimmed the fat and its totally liquid. Can you offer any advice?
Hi Nicole,
In this book, Broth and Stock, I discuss broth making extensively. Including why your broth may not gel. Please keep in mind that marrow bones lack the connective tissue that, when dissolved, makes broth gel. It’s not a good idea to use marrow bones exclusively; rather, choose a variety of bones including meaty bones, marrow bones and joints.
Do you leave the slow cooker on simmer or warm?
Giving this a try this week! We all came down with a seasonal cold that we are trying to kick in the butt! lol
Can you,put the broth and bones into a,powerful blender, such as a Vitamix, or isn’t there much nutritional value to the bones after cooking for a couple of days?
You could, though I’m not certain it would taste very good.
Since I’m just one person, I don’t think I need to have the perpetual soup going all week, but I was wondering about using my slow cooker for part of the process. Since I have a gas stove and don’t want to leave it on for 24 to 48 hours straight, I was thinking about starting it on the stove, getting it up to a boil, and then transferring to a crock pot to simmer for the rest of the time. You think that would work well? Thanks so much for all your wonderful recipes and health tips! You’re awesome!!
Hi ashlet,
You could try and let us know how it goes.
If you are using a whole raw chicken, would you still cover with water at first? Or only after you’ve taken the meat off?
Do you ever use anything besides chicken? Turkey? Beef? Pork? Bison?
I don’t, others do.
Thank you for this recipe! What a great idea to keep the broth going all week – gets round the problem of an over-full fridge and nowhere to store the broth!
We had a power outage for about 7 hours in the middle of making beef bone broth. Is there any risk of resuming cooking when the power came back on?
Hi Carrie,
If you boil it for at least 20 minutes, it should be fine.
How do you keep your slow cooker on for so long? Mine automatically switches from low to warm after 22 hours. Is it okay to leave on warm for the whole week,, or do you turn it back onto low each day?
Hi Haley,
I use the slow cooker recommended in this post.
I have a Crockpot, and I’m not going to go buy a slow cooker just for bone broth. I’m wondering if there’s a way to make it work with the one that I have. Thanks.
You miss out the 2nd most important ingredient ….the apple cider vinegar which breaks everything down & gets all the nutrients out of the bones
NO. Despite what you read repeated ad nauseum, ACV is not necessary for broth making or for facilitating the breakdown of the bones – especially when such prolonged cooking as required in this recipe. People believe it because they see it repeated over and over again but repetition doesn’t make it true.
I’ve had my bone broth going since Sunday on low and it’s awesome! I discovered this morning that my mid wasnt on completely, and some of the liquid was gone. Considering it was still on low, is it still safe? It was still burning hot to the touch. I will probably just scrap it since it’s been nearly a week at work, but boy is it tasty though, it’d be nice to have for today’s rainy weather and convenient dinner plans 🙂
I did not get entirely through each of these posts, but was interested in whether anything has been shared about ROASTING the bones in the oven before commencing with the soup? I am new to this process, but have read that roasting also helps release flavor of the bone and depth of the broth flavor. Anyone?
HI there! I am new to this recipe but super excited to get going based on all the healing benefits I have found in the research. I am curious though if you are able to clarify somethings that I can’t seem to find out myself? I am going to use beef bones so: 1) can these be used for perpetual soup as well? 2) when do the bones need to be discarded as we have used up all the nutrients and lastly 3) do beef bones need to be browned before putting into the crock pot? Thank you for ANY input!! 🙂
I made perpetual bone broth last week. Enjoyed it tremendously. Went to make it again this week and my slow cooker won’t turn on. I am so disappointed. I believe it stopped working because I had it on on LOW for 6 days. Have you had this issue?
Is there a slow cooker that you recommend that can handle being on for long periods, and won’t leach toxins in to the broth?
A quick question for you. I am very interested in doing this but we will not be storing any at all and only using a 4 quart crock . My daughter will have maybe once a day and me 3 times a day smaller bowels…How many bones/ drumsticks should I use? I would be adding a few more every couple of days to keep it well gelled and nutrient rich. we just don’t use the larger quantity’s the bigger crocks produce and once in fridge we rarely use all and I find it all over in freezer taking up space. we would rather use it as we go… ideas?
Has anyone tried this recipe using a crockpot liner? Just wondering if that is O.K. Or if the plastic would get bad after while.??
Has anyone tried this using a slow cooker liner? Just wondering if it is O.K.
I noticed a lot of concern about the cooking temperatures of the slow cooker. Ihpf you are concerned, may I suggest using an instant read thermometer. They are inexpensive and used in hospitals and restaurants.
I have a question, is there ever too long to cook chicken broth? I have had broth in my crockpot for 5 days now. Is it still good?
For dietary reasons, my mother is a vegetarian. When I cook for her I use only vegetarian products. She is not vegan so that helps. I have all of your books and recommended books, Jenny, but there is little info on how to make a good vegetable broth. I am basically doing the above with scraps that I save and add organic onions and root vegetables but I wonder if I am missing something or can’t make it better. Can you or your more veteran readers help?
Hi Brianna,
A good vegetable broth is super rich in minerals, though it lacks protein found in bone broths. Choose flavorful vegetables like carrots, onion, garlic, and fresh herbs. Adding a strip of kombu can bring some of that umami flavor to the broth. Simmer them all together about 30 minutes or so. I’ll have several vegetable broths (and bone and meat broths) in my next cookbook.
Hi, Jen 🙂 Thanks so much for doing all the legwork for all of us! 😀
Just wondering if you have any concerns about crock pots crocks leaching lead into your food; especially since you’re cooking for a week at a time? Do you know anything about Vita Clay Slow cookers?
Hi–
We are (completely!) off the electric grid… thus no crockpot. Our system can handle electricity, but nothing that pulls even the tiniest current 24/7– not even an egg incubator!
We often use “hay box” old-school slow cooking (ie, heat the pot of food for 10-30 min, then wrap in insulating material– wool blanket/ down comforter/ old sleeping bag/ box of hay or straw; then wait). This method invariably out-performs any slow cooker I have ever tried– food is hotter longer per energy consumed, and never over-cooked.
How often would we need to re-heat the pot for perpetual soup? This may bear some experiments with a thermometer– maybe re-heat after each addition of water? Or every morning and evening? If only I could find a thermometer with an alarm for temps below 150f!
Any ideas or experiences are welcome!
Hello,
I noticed you use chicken, if I use grass fed beef bones can I still keep the crock pot going for a week? I am worried about bacteria growing and me harming not helping my family. Thank you.
Hi, I have tried making this twice and once I have strained out the first batch and added more water, it’s very watery tasting. Even if I leave it for 24 hours or more. Am I supposed to add more bones to it each time I take out the cooked broth and add more water? I really want to be able to have broth all week.
Hi Mikki, By the end of the week it will taste watery. I find the best flavor is around day 3. You can certainly add more bones if it suits you.
I am new to making bone broth. Makes the house smell so good! My first batch turned out great. Next 2 batches not as good, but still good. I still am not able to get it to gelatinize. I was told to put 2 free range chicken feet in my broth. Done that. Still has not gelatinized. I am using filtered water, fresh free range bones, all the other ingredients and Bragg’s ACV. Where am I going wrong?
I also read it is okay if it does not gelatinize it does not mean gelatin is not in the product. Then I read also that if the slow simmer is too high of heat ( using crockpot on low 24 hours ), that it will destroy the gelatin.
Please help someone?
Has anyone tried making bone broth using lamb or goat bones? And cooking those for long periods of time in the crockpot? I am new to reading about this but sounds interesting to me. I would appreciate any feed back.
I made my first bone broth using pasture raised lamb bones. I also cooked on my stove top in a stock pot because my crock pot is too small. So much gelatin and very little fat. Lovely broth. The first cooking was gel rich the next, not so much.
So, if I do this and leave it for a week as you described, no worries about bacteria? I am a little nervous about a pot I made and keeping my crock pot on with it cooking for a week as you mentioned. Some folks are telling me bacteria could become an issue?????
You all must have lead-free slow cookers/stockpots. I have yet to find one that is; can anyone refer me to one? The lead is in the cookery glaze, and manufacturers do not deny it’s there. They reply that their products are within “allowable limits”. I’d like to try making the bone broth myself in a stock pot, but that would require long hours on a gas stove. For the time being, I purchase mine from either TheBrothery, or RealBoneBroth.com…. not cheap but considering the costs of the raw ingredients and the time involved, as well as the benefits of the bone broth itself, I think it is totally worth it.
Just want to clarify the beginning of the cooking process. I don’t have to bring to a boil first and then let it simmer? Please advise. Thanks so much!
I am wondering about the cost of continual cooking. Would it be more efficient on the stove in a stock pot or in the crock pot? If doing this continually this could become worth thinking about.
My only issue with many of the crock pots / slow cookers today is lead. Many of the common brands that “meet FDA requirements” contain lead and or other toxins in the glaze. Fortunately, we can purchase much safer/inert cookware (stainless, pure glass – does anyone have glass or stainless models they like?) in the form of a slow cooker/ insert. Unfortunately, I live in the UAE and most of the slow cookers are from china…extra lead, yummy 🙂 Which is why I researched and switched to a stainless pressure cooker for my bone broth.
I saw one person recommended the Hamilton Beach 8 quart slow cooker and said that most slow cookers run hot. For my first batch of bone broth, even on the lowest setting it was bubbling constantly. Can anyone recommend a slow cook that heats true and not extremely high, even on the low setting? Thanks in advance!
Hi Jenny — you say that you have a 6 quart crock pot and that your family drinks 2-3 quarts of bone broth per day. Is that how much you remove/replace daily? I’ve noticed my perpetual broth tasting burnt sometimes, which I realize is probably because I’m not removing enough of the broth. I’m not sure how much liquid I should be removing each day, and I don’t really see that addressed in the blog post or comments. Obviously how much you remove will depend on how big your crock pot is, but could you maybe give a guess? — i.e., remove half the volume of your crockpot daily (so 3 quarts removed/replaced if using a 6 quart crock pot). Thanks for a great post!
I tried this method, using a whole chicken and found the broth was really good but it was a waste of the chicken. After 24 hrs. the meat is mushy and flavorless which is understandable. My son is a chef and a purist, he uses only a stock pot because that what it’s for, reduce, reduce, reduce, he said. I will try again using the frame, and pre-cooking the veggies before putting them in the crock pot and then letting it simmer without removing liquid, only adding as it reduces by half. Maybe this will be the best of both worlds.
When using a while chicken, should the meat be taken out early in the week or is it OK to leave in all week until you’re ready to eat it? Does the meat overcook?
Can I do this with a 4 quart crock pot? I know my pot will hold a whole chicken, I’m just not sure how much water will fit in there with it.
I’ve read a lot of comments about not being able to drink a cup full of fat and that it didn’t taste very good and I used to feel the same way until I started drinking it a new way that I can tolerate and actually really enjoy. I usually only do beef so what I do is put my roast in the crockpot and cook the meat until it is done. I then take the cooled broth from my roast and put it all in mason jars in the fridge. I put the bones from the roast in a stock pot with fresh filtered water to boil. Then I transfer everything to crockpot to simmer to make the gelatin. When the gelatin is ready, I take some broth from my original roast (it’s the broth that is still liquid and may have some meat bits in it but is full of beef flavor) in a pan on the stove to warm it up and then add gelatin to it so it mixes in with the broth. The strong beef flavor masks any bad taste of the gelatin and when combined with the broth it doesn’t feel/taste like I’m drinking a cup full of fat – it’s like you’re drinking just a cup of broth but you’ve got the benefits of the gelatin in there. I usually use a ratio of about a 1/4 – 1/2 of a coffee mug of broth and the rest is gelatin. Hope this helps make it palatable for others to enjoy (this is also the only way I can get my kids to drink gelatin/bone broth).
HI. I was wondering if this perpetual broth can be made with beef bones instead of chicken?
I get alot of bones since I buy 1/2 a grassfed cow every year.
Thanks
Yes will work with beef but if you do not remove a quart after 24-48 hours and replenish
it will become burnt. One must remove then add H2O per her directions.
I just made this recipe in my crockpot. It’s been cooking way for about five days now. I was planning on making a big bowl of soup this weekend. I dipped a spoon into the crockpot to taste the broth and found that it had a very burnt taste. Obviously I’m very disappointed. I had the crockpot set on low. What went wrong? Does my crockpot just cook too high? Has anyone come across this problem? Thanks. Mandy.
It sounds like you didn’t remove broth from the slowcooker during the 5 days. Remember, you need to remove broth (about 1 quart) every day and replace it with water.
Do you know how this process would work in a hot climate? Or i guess is might not matter if you were cooking is 24/7 , 7days a week. But over here in Thailand, once the stock has cooled down, you’d need to put in the fridge straight away
I love the recipe! – thank you for sharing!
To the commenters asking about health risks to babies and debating cooking methods or have concerns about the rancidity of fat – ask your doctor medial questions, do your own research, make your own choices; the comments are not relevant to how good the recipe. is. If you don’t like the method, don’t use it!
It is no wonder the author does not respond to off topic questions and the relevant questions get lost.
If something goes wrong in your life, who ideals with it and who is responsible?
emmmmmm….delicious soup recipes…
Thanks for being awesome Jenny
Are you supposed to add water to the pot as it cooks down? I noticed water gone after cooking for a while and thought I should fill it up with more water. I could not find this answer anywhere. First time making bone broth.
Top it off .
Am I correct in assuming you can use basically this same process with grass-fed beef bones? What temperature setting should I keep my slow cooker on after it is basically ready to maintain? Would warm be okay as long as above 170 deg. F?
I do want to address the ‘burnt’ smell. issue and offer a possible explanation. For me, I found that certain store brands (conventionally raised) began to have an off burnt taste to me. I switched brands a few times and got totally grossed out over store brand chickens/turkeys. I now use pastured organic and find it does not have that smell anymore.
Also, the newer crock pots cook way too high. I cannot make spaghetti sauce in any of my new ones because it burns it rather than simmer.
I got a Rival slow cooker for free on craigslist and started my perpetual broth. It seemed to boil too hard when I left it on low for a long time, but not enough on warm, so I’ve been fiddling with the temperature, depending on how it looks. Today, I had it on low for some hours and the top literally flew off and half the broth exploded all over my kitchen. I’m going to try what one person suggested, high for thirty minutes and then warm after that, but has anyone else had this issue? How can I leave it on all the time without worrying that it’s going to explode and injure me or someone else in my house?
Hi Jenny,
I have started a perpetual broth with beef bones and am finding a layer, about an inch deep, of fat on the top of the broth. Should I be straining that off? It is hard to scoop a cup of broth without half of it being fat.
Thanks!
🙂
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Thank you for this fabulous recipe. I am new to your site and just getting started on my traditional, real-food journey. I love bone broth done in the oven but now I think it’s time to dust-off my slow-cooker!
Thank you for sharing all your hard work and knowledge!
There are blogs out there noting the possibility of over exposure to lead from bone broth consumption and they note a couple of conflicting studies. Based on these reading do you still think it is wise to have a perpetual broth? Or would it be wiser to just cook the bones for no longer then 24 hours then discard them? Or not consume it at all? …and/or look into doing a heavy metal detox every so often?
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/bones-to-pick-with-the-lead-in-bone-broth-study/
http://chriskresser.com/bone-broth-and-lead-toxicity-should-you-be-concerned
I’m not concerned about lead in bone broth.
I’d like to use this recipe with duck bones/neck and another time with beef marrow bones… what do you think? Also, is it okay/recommended to keep your crockpot on “warm” after it’s been on low and bubbling for nearly half a day??? Perhaps I should switch between “low” and “warm” from time to time throughout the week?
By the way… your recipe FINALLY inspired me to start making my own broth… Sure, I’ve made chicken soup using a whole chicken quite a few times, but not perpetual broth to freeze or use throughout the week. For some reason, other homemade broth recipes have just been overwhelming/intimidating, but not yours! Thanks! 🙂
Yes, I am worried about the stableness of the chicken fat as well. I’ve been cooking my chicken in a slow cooker for about 36 hours now (the broth was delicious after about 10 hours cooking) and I just tried some more of the broth, but I feel like it had a rancid aftertaste to it! Why could this be?
Quick question – what kind of slow cooker do you have? The one I have is a nice newish Hamilton Beach that is programmable and all fancy..yet it won’t stay on for more than 12 hours at time so I have to constantly remember when I turned it on to not miss it turning off and ruining our broth. I would really rather not have to keep track of that constantly and just have one that stays on. Any suggestions?
Do you start over from scratch every week?
Was wondering what the author does with the fat at the top of the broth? I made bone broth in my crock pot per instructions above using a whole chicken. In you pictures I can see the skins floating so I knew that wasn’t an issue, but when i went to scoop out some broth I basically ended up with a mouthfull of fat in a cup! yuck! Is there something I am doing wrong? It doesn’t make sense that we needed to remove the crock to teh fridge to scoop off the fat only to replace it in the crock. May as well leave it in the fridge??
Just something I read concerning the gelitan properties
Guess when you restart each week you get the good gelitan healing in the beginning then the good bone minerals healing in the end … Balance of both
Smiles
Copied from a different site …
I’ve observed that refrigerating the pressure canned stock after opening the jar does not affect the gelling properties. The gel strength of gelatin degrades slowly when held at temperatures above 104 degrees Fahrenheit. The higher the temperature, the faster the degradation. At 240+ degrees (the temperatures achieved during pressure canning) the gel strength will degrade from 100% to 0% in about 90 minutes. You can expect that a bone broth will have slightly less of a gel strength than a 4-hour stock and you should also expect that any pressure canned stock will have no gel strength.
when you leave the house aren’t you worried you might set your house on fire? when cooking in a crook pot?
Thanks.
A good friend told me that in “The Old Country”, neighbors would “pass the bone”. Someone would have a roast with a joint and when they made their soup, they’d pass the bone along to a neighbor, and it would keep going until it was used up. I don’t know how many households that would be, probably not that many, but it does show that they realized there was value to it long after the meat was long gone.
Jenny, I find the recipe interesting and like the simplicity of replenishing the water, but I’ve looked through the comments and it seems that you haven’t responded to anyone’s concerns about depleting the gelatin content or whether fats will become rancid from cooking so long. Is there any science behind this method working or is it simply something you came up with to make life easier?
I am new to crock pots. So I have my chicken and it’s been on low all day…should I switch to warm now for the next couple days or keep it on low? (on low…it bubbles…).
I’ve been using my slow cooker to cook bones for about two years. I use the broth to cook my dog’s food (brown rice, lentils, split green peas, pearled barley, sweet potato, and garden tomatoes). I always use all the broth in a pot of dog food. I never throw out the bones! I crumble them over my dogs’ food as “doggie granola” or give it to them as a treat during the day. They absolutely love it, and I love that nothing is wasted, and my dogs are getting the marrow and perfectly safe bones to enjoy. I am going to try the perpetual method now that I know about it. Thanks for the tip!
Thank you so much for posting this!!! I have been making broth on the stove for years and having to strain, bottle, cool, freeze, defrost, break half the bottles, then try to use!!!! Ugh! What a pain!!! This is going to make my life soooooooo much easier as a homeschooling momma of three 🙂
I usually make just stock not broth from feet, heads and body parts. I never know how many feet/ heads to use.
I don’t have a scale so I usually put 4 feet, 2 heads and 1-2 body parts. Is this sufficient?
Love the idea! I work away from home for 9 hours a day. Is it safe to leave a slow cooker on whole away from home? Would u be comfortable with that? I’ve rarely used one so I’m not sure.
That is the whole premise behind a slow cooker. To cook supper while you are at work. I wouldn’t be afraid.
This is somewhat a random tip but animal people might be interested. Dogs especially will love this. At the end of the week use a potato masher or blender to liquify the bones. (Yes, dogs aren’t supposed to eat bird bones because of brittleness but they are fine to eat when liquified after serious cooking like this). Add in a little of the broth itself to help turn the bones into what will look like porridge then strain it to make sure there are absolutely no bone particles in it. You can add this to dog food as a special treat or put in in the fridge to solidify like a pate and use it for treats or to give medicine in. Way better tasting for them and way better ingredients than the gross fake stuff sold at stores.
Thank you, I like ideas like yours for good quality pet food. I’ll be picking up organic pasture chickens from a humane and beautiful farm in Puna, Hawaii tomorrow. First, I’ll roast it, then do this broth, and make pet food!
What about the fat going rancid? My crockpot will get to a rolling boil, worries me to have the fat in there boiling all week.
Caution: Be careful with perpetual broth if your house is too humid. My AC has had trouble removing moisture from the air, and mold has grown. I can’t wait until I get a dehumidifier solution so I can make broth again!
Has anyone tried using Chicken Feet for their broth/stock or toss a couple in with each batch?
This is very nourishing and really really really makes thick stock, when cooled it is like gelatin. I add it to everything I cook… Feet must be from organic, pasture raised birds and probably needs to be attained on the sly as I don’t think it is legal to sell these to people.
Jenny, what time zone are you in? I just noticed when I posted my reply, it says 1:36 am. It’s 9:39 pm here! :o)
I have perpetual beef bone broth – but I really mean perpetual. Same bones for over a month or two — is that too much??
Do you eat the veggies or are they just there to season.? This is going to be my first time to w er do this. Excited!
When rebooking chicken bones, do u remove cooked meat from bones? I use chicken backs and necks. It’s hard to remove bc bones are so small. Seems impractical
Re cooking not rebooking lol
I’ve been doing this for 3 years now. I switched from a crockpot to an electric roaster. It’s much nicer because it has a real thermostat. You can set it to a perfect simmer without constant fiddling and adjusting. And it holds more.
The first two years I used a Hamilton Beach 3in1 crockpot. I used the largest crock but set it to the small crock Low setting. That held a perfect simmer and worked really well.
Where is your comment? What arrangement with Whole Foods? I shop there.
I am single and can’t eat a whole chicken by myself but I love to drink and use a lot of bone broth. I was trying to think of a way to get just the bones when I asked the deli of my local Whole Foods if could buy the left over roasted chicken bones after they removed the meat for use in the prepared foods they serve. At first the deli gal had to ask a few of the Higher ups at the store before it was decided that I could have them for free anytime I wanted. Now when I want to make broth I ask them to save a few frames for me and I pick them up after they close. They still have some meat on them, sometimes most of the dark meat is left on ( free meat bonus!!) I save the larger pieces of meat and put the frames in my biggest pot with celery, carrots, onions, garlic, bay leaves, peppercorns, salt, apple cider vinegar, and what ever veggie scraps I have saved in the freezer. I bring it to a boil reduce the heat to the lowest my burner can maintain and cook for 2 days. then I strain and cool as fast as I can. after cooled completely its the consistency of jello. I remove the solid fat to use for other things and either freeze what I don’t use then, if I only made a few quarts or pressure can it if I made a few gallons. (I make enough to can only in the winter because I can keep the broth at a safe temp outside in a cooler filled with snow without taking up all the fridge space.) I try to can as much as possible during the winter so I have enough to get me through the warmer months. Its so nice to have it ready for me when the mood strikes for a mug of broth or a quick soup dinner.
I know the meat isn’t the ideal pasture raised meat I go out of my way to buy for myself, but Whole Foods chicken is bound to be better than the roasted chicken from anywhere else. One day I will have a family and a farm to raise all of my own meat the way I believe is right, but for a poor single gal in her 20’s this is the best I can do for now.
You are so smart! How awesome that you are only in your 20s and you are taking control of your health. Good for you for doing the best that you can.
So I know this is a bit of an old post, but I have a couple questions that weren’t answered in any of the comments.
When I make the broth in the slow cooker, it starts to cook down on its own after the first night. Not sure if this is normal or a problem with my slow cooker. If I add water back all each day to keep the pot full, will that dilute the flavor of the broth? Should I pull out broth to use after it’s cooked down or after I add the water?
Also, does anyone else have the issue of the broth just smelling up the whole house? I like the idea of being able to make so much broth out of one chicken, but I can’t stand the smell!! Any suggestions?
I’m not sure why but this website is loading extremely slow for me. Is anyone else having this problem or is it a issue on my end? I’ll
check back later on and see if the problem still exists.
Hello!
I’ve recently starting making my own bone broth and I’m loving it! I struggle with several food sensitivities, so I’m hoping that a good quality homemade bone broth will help with the healing process 🙂
Quick question, and perhaps this was already addressed: can I skim the fat off (once it cools) and keep all the beneficial nutrients intact, or do I need to leave it? The gelatin will remain in the broth even if I skim it, correct? Thank you for your help!
Maybe this is a dumb question, but is the broth supposed to taste like chicken at all? I made the easy roast chicken recipe, then put the carcass in the crockpot with water. There was still a good deal of meat left on the carcass (thought it would help) but when I tasted the broth after 24 hours it really just tasted like water and something else (maybe bone?). I put garlic and some salt/pepper but that didn’t help much either.
The only thing I can think of changing is the quality of the chicken. I did not use an organic chicken (decent chickens are really hard to find here in Hawaii) so I wonder if that would make a difference.
We live on Kaua’i and buy organic chickens (2 in a bag) from Costco. You can get the same ones at Foodland, but they’re way more expensive there. The stocks we make come out delicious, even though we only cook them about 3 hours. I am so trying this perpetual recipe trick to save on $. 😀
I’m in the food business for many years now.
Started learning how to make various broths or stocks from my grandmother with either chicken, beef, lamb or pork when I was around 8 years old.
I still prepare them weekly from the 2 turkey carcasses I get from the restaurant I work at.
I make easily over a gallon weekly. The bones I take and crack open with a hatchet to expose the marrow.
By the time the soup is done and chilled, it sets like jello.
I add onions, celery, carrots, parsnips, cabbage, summer squash, potatoes, tomatoes, garlic, parsley, thyme, oregano, marjoram, bay leaves and black and white peppercorns that are cracked.
To strain the stock, I simply use a fine strainer to filter out the bones and vegs. The idea of using a coffee filter to remove everything to me is not practical. I don’t mind some bits of herbs or vegs in my broth.
I couldn’t imagine spending a good hour if not more waiting for any broth to drip its way through a coffee filter.
I suppose if you have that kind of time, go ahead. Many times I will pull the vegs out and chop them up for the stock to make a soup. If there is any meat on those bones, they get utilized too.
very informative. thanks!
making my first batch! started yesterday, therefore having my first cups tonight. At first i just strained the broth in a mess strainer but it was very greasy, so found a reusable coffee filter that seems to work. My question is, when using the coffee filter it seems that there is alot of fine particles being filtered out. Isn’t that part of the good stuff we want?? Just wanting to get the most out of it.
Just a little something extra …. We had made 2 rounds of this and decided to try something. My husband and I both really enjoy the broth at the start of the week but around the middle of the cycle the flavor gets to be lacking for us. So, this week he suggested we pull 2 quart jars right when the broth was ready to be harvested. We kept them refridgerated until about the middle of the week and then we add them back 2 seperate times… It worked! Today is our switch day and the broth that I brought with me to work this a.m. is almost as lovely as the first day.
It’s been 3 days and my broth is getting VERY dark amber. Is this normal or should I stop the cooking process?
This happens when one of two issues occurs: 1) Your slowcooker runs too hot, or 2) you are not removing broth from the slowcooker regularly, and replacing it with fresh water frequently enough.
This happened to me the first time I tried to do bone broth. I noticed my slow cooker – even on the lowest setting – was boiling. Seriously. By the next day I could not stand the scent.
Hi all — I posted this question already, but I don’t see it here, so I’m thinking it didn’t post…I apologize if it ends up being a duplicate.
Anyway, I’m looking into making some bone broth as one of my 4-month-old son’s first foods, and I’m curious as to whether the seasonings I use first on the chicken are okay to make it into the broth I give him? Or is it better to prepare the chicken plain and use that for bone broth? I’d just be using olive oil, salt and pepper, garlic and onion, and herbs like rosemary and thyme…nothing crazy. Is all of that alright to potentially be in the bone broth?
Thanks in advance.
I know it is too late for this one, but for future babies I will give you this advice. I assume you are here because you want the very best for your child, so here it is. Breastfeed. And breastmilk should be the ONLY food your child gets for at LEAST 9 months
Thanks for such a detailed recipe. I’m looking into making bone broth to give my 4-month-old son…I know this is fine, but I’m wondering if spices are okay? I roasted a chicken tonight and of course seasoned it. Since some seasoning will inevitably make it into the broth, I just wanted to make sure it was alright for baby. I’m talking olive oil, salt, pepper, fresh rosemary…plus I stuffed the chicken with onion and garlic. Any insight on bone broth specifically for babies appreciated…thanks!
So I have made a lot of broth in the past, but not the perpetual broth. Good idea by the way.
I stumbled on your site when I was looking for a weird problem I have with my turkey broth this time. I thought I would throw this question out there because you and your readers are clearly experienced broth makers.
I had a turkey carcass with skin and some meat from family dinner, saved it until the next day when I put it on the stove in a 7 quart soup pot and added water only. I simmered it very slowly for approx 16 hours and then placed in the fridge as is. I did not get to it until 3 days later. When I opened it, it smelled absolutely awful, I wouldn’t call it rotten, but I compared it to getting your hair died, and having that same aroma that burns your nostrils. Warmed it up slightly so I could strain it easily, and it didn’t smell any better. I tasted it, and it was brown and “burnt”, but that does not account for the hair day smell. Any idea what this is? Is it just super concentrated with minerals and vitamins from sitting in the fridge for three days with the bones? Or is it some sort of rotting stage I’ve never encountered? I’ve done many soups over the years and have never had a bone broth smell like this.
My guess is that you have bacteria in there. You can cook continuously and it will be safe or you can refrigerate if you have to but You cannot put stock away hot in the refrigerator. Especially a large amount. It needs to reach an internal temperature of 40 degrees or less within 4 hours to have a bacteriostatic effect. If you MUST refrigerate the best way to control this is divide up your broth so that it cools faster, put it in a cold water bath in smaller containers, or divide it up and put ice in it. No idea why it smelled like hair but probably a result of something in the turkey itself.
can someone explain the calorie content here. I read that the average calorie serving in homemade chicken stock is 4.9 calories per gram and there are over 900 grams in 32 ounces putting this at a 4000 plus calorie drink everyday, or am I missing something?
Pure carbohydrate (sugar) has 4 calories per gram, pure fat has 9 per gram.
Say your stock is 5% fat, 4% protein and 1% carbs, you would be looking at 500 calories. (This is probably an overestimation.)
Compared to whatever else you’re eating, the stock is going to be barely worth thinking about in terms of calories.
I have made this broth a few times and is seems after about a day I can’t stand the smell of it. It smells burned/overcooked which I find very weird as my stock does not bubble at all (maybe that is the problem). It tastes just OK. I fill the pot with 3/4 full of water, bones and a glug of ACV. I find I have to add a ton of sea salt to make it taste ok. Does adding the veggie scraps help the taste significantly? Garlic at the end sounds good. I know this is a good idea, but my family complains about the overpowering smell.
If it smells overcooked/burned, it’s because you’re not removing enough broth from the slowcooker on a daily basis. You don’t need to use ACV. And you shouldn’t season the broth in the slowcooker, just when you use it.
Hello!
I have been making bone broth for two weeks. As I love this process, I found my crockpot was boiling away, even on the low setting. After an exhaustive search, it seems there are no crockpots or slow cookers that have a temperature control setting. I did find slow roaster that allow for a low temp down to 125 degrees, but it isn’t a ceramic insert, which I prefer.
What appliance do you use and why? Does your bone broth boil away constantly all week?
Thank you,
Audrey
I believe what you posted made a lot of sense. But, think
on this, suppose you were to create a killer post
title? I ain’t saying your information is not good, however suppose you added a title to maybe get folk’s attention?
I mean Perpetual Soup is kinda vanilla. You could peek at Yahoo’s front page and see how they write post titles to grab viewers interested. You might add a related video or a picture or two to get readers interested about what you’ve
written. In my opinion, it might make your posts a little livelier.
Hi Jenny! So excited to try bone broth for my new year of health! I noticed in an earlier comment a reader was having problems with her broth smelling/tasting funny and you diagnosed her problems as removing too little (causing a burnt taste) or too much (causing a watery taste). Do you have any recommendations for a single person implementing this recipe? If I am only removing a quart a day, will this cause flavor problems? If so, what should I do to avoid this? Thanks so much for all you do and I’m excited to follow you this year in my journey toward traditional foods!
If Jenny would reply to this I would appreciate it to – I am only one person as well and I would not be using three quarts a day. Thanks in advance!
My husband left for deployment around the holidays. I threw my Thanksgiving turkey leftovers in the crockpot and followed your directions. When I started freaking out about being a single mom for a few months, I was able to sip some warm broth and calm me down. When I was too tired to make a meal for myself after putting the kid to bed, I had some protein and fats from the meat to hold me over. Now that it’s been a week and I’m starting to settle down and destress, I have some broth to freeze for later use when I freak out again. I’ll likely just put in the refrigerator as I can see myself needing it before it can thaw out 🙂 Thank you for the awesome recipe that’s good for the body in many ways.
Great recipe thanks, Jenny. Wondering why you strain or filter stock before using?
I’ve done this with both chicken, turkey or beef bones, all with good results.
My favorite thing is to use beef shanks, remove the meat when it’s fork tender then just keep cooking the bones.
I always use a little dash of apple cider vinegar when using beef bones.
This recipe sounds fantastic and a real time saver. My concern is also safety–the broth really stays safe to eat the entire week? My first thought was that it would be loaded with bacteria after three days or four days.
old comment but bacteria cannot survive at simmering temperatures… so no worries.
I hardly leave a response, but after reading a few of the comments here
Perpetual Soup. I actually do have a few questions for you if
you don’t mind. Could it be only me or do some of these comments look like they are left by brain dead folks? 😛 And, if you are writing on other sites, I would like to keep up with you. Would you list of every one of your social networking sites like your linkedin profile, Facebook page or twitter feed?
Some of the comments are hard to read-including yours.
Okay, I’ve just thrown into a giant stock pot the frozen thanksgiving turkey frame, 1 1/2 gallon ziplock of frozen vegetable scraps, 2 1/2 gallons filtered water and about 3T apple cider vinegar. The water is starting to warm and it smells heavenly due to the veggies and herbs that we’re in the turkey cavity. Do I need to skim off the veggie scraps or is it okay to let them stay in? I’m going to transfer this monstrosity to my wood stove to cook slowly (simmer only, I hope), but is there anything else I should be aware of? Any suggestions anyone?
I just finished cooking venison bones for several days. Would that be the same as beef bones?
Would you add the organ meats too?
No. I don’t recommend adding organ meats to stocks. It muddies the flavor, plus organ meats are rich in heat-sensitive vitamins which can be destroyed with prolonged cooking, so you have muddied stock and no consequential boost of nutrition to show for it. Better to stick to straight bones/meath/seasonings and keep the organ meats for dishes like pate, liver mousse etc.
I’ve been making stock with leftover turkey carcass from Thanksgiving. Because I don’t have a crockpot, I have been using a big stock pot on the stove with a diffuser. I don’t want to leave the stove running all night, will the fat or meat go rancid if I let the stock sit at room temperature over night while the stove is turned off? I’ve done this for 3 nights already and it seems okay but I wanted to check.
Natalie
Please don’t leave your stock at room temperature overnight, it is a perfect breeding ground for bacteria! I doubt the fat would go rancid that quickly, but those bacteria can make you very sick. Either keep the broth hot (simmering), or refrigerate it.
I’ve done this a few times – thanks for the inspiration – but it’s just too greasy for me to drink even though I’m using the reusable coffee filter. I guess I could heat, then refrigerate and scoop out the hardened fat, and reheat, but that seems like way too much trouble. How do you handle the high fat content?
Use a gravy separator.
Good idea! Thx. Also in reply to some posts:
– Incomplete sentence: If you’re using a whole, fresh chicken, you may also remove chicken meat from the slow cooker as desired for stir-fries, in soups or in [….] ?
– I usually use a 5liter ‘normal’ rvs pan and put it in the (electrical) oven. Who needs a slow cooker anyway;-)
– The fats are mostly saturated and won’t ‘break’ at this low temperature.
– i’d think the bacteria on eggshelss will die when heated close to boiling.
– beware giving cooked bones to dogs. The bones splinter as opposed to raw bones (even dogs like it raw;-))
– I usaually add only salt & pepper to the broth. When I make soup I add veggies and herbs to the broth. Garlic is best added at the latest instant so it only boils/heats very briefly.
Stay helathy and happy!
Cooked bones are only dangerous for dogs if they’re insufficiently cooked. If you cook them in a normal recipe, such as roasting a whole chicken, that isn’t enough time to soften the bones. However, if the bones are cooked in liquid, as in making stock, for at least 24 hours, you can break the bones easily by hand. After I make 24-hour stock, I strain it, let the meat, bones and veggies cool and give it to our dogs. (Some people reuse the bones, but I’d rather give the dogs a healthful treat.) Rooster leg bones may need to cook longer, but the bones of young chickens should get sufficiently soft after simmering for 24 hours or so. Our dogs can easily crunch these up and there are no dangerous sharp splinters.
Please help….I made the soup like above , a couple of times now, but it is SO greasy I can’t eat it. What am I doing wrong? Should I remove the skin first? I would also like to know the answers to -what the best vegetable scraps are to use -and about the broth not producing gelatin, as others have asked. Thank you so much. I absolutely love your site! Oh! and I also can’t seem to find your testimony of how real food has helped your husband…I want to pass it on to a friend.
I just tried this over the weekend. My only problem is, I just couldn’t drink it! It was too fatty and the taste made me want to gag. It’s still simmering away in my crockpot, I’ll just can it tonight so we can use it for soups. It’s just weird because I normally love to drink the broth from soups. How do you make it palatable?
De-fat it by putting it into a fat separator or by pouring it into a jar, placing it in to the fridge and removing the fat once it hardens.
Hi,
I was wondering if using the perpetual method will in any way effect the quality of the gelatin? i.e., does it break it down too much for it to be in the pot for so long? I’ve been doing the perpetual soup for about 3 months now and absolutely love it. I just want to make sure I’m not shooting myself in the foot regarding the nutrients.
Also, I’ve noticed that my chicken broth doesn’t gel (i’ve experimented, pulling some out of the pot and refrigerating it over night to see). I do use ACV in the broth. I’m wondering, is the simply because my bone to water ratio is off? Or am I still getting the benefits of the gelatin and even if it isn’t enough to make the broth gel, I’m still drinking down all the good stuff?
Thanks for any insight you have 🙂 I love your site SO much!
Julia
I have the same question regarding the gel. I had to put mine away after about 30 hours once as I needed the crockpot for something else & noticed no gelling. Does it have the same effect if the gelling doesn’t occur?
Just a quick comment o say that both me and my mother have noticed that when we do this it makes a big difference with the quality of the chicken. The more ‘organic’ / naturally raised chicken it is, the more gelatin there is present. Don’t know why but quite interesting.
My local grocery sells chicken feet. I get several pounds for under $2. Toss those in the broth. A lot of collagen in chicken feet. (Or calves feet if you’re making beef broth) There WILL be serious gelling.
Yes that is a problem with this recipe. ‘t’he meaty bones are adding flavor but not collagen or that gelatin jiggle that is so nutritious. You need a higher ratio of joint bones to meaty bones. This would be the neck and feet of the chicken. You also want the chickens to be organic. No sense doing all this work with commercially raised birds.
My question is about organ meats ? I have never read anything about beef tripe ?
What do you think
Gilbert
Holy crap, perpetual broth is a GREAT idea! I make broth weekly.. from a recipe.. and it never occurred to me to just use “vegetable scraps” (which I am so trying to be better about!) of which I have many, every week. I’m just going to do this from now on for sure!
I make one big pot per week. The dogs get chicken legs added to their food so I use those.
I get those “stock bags” which look like big net. Theyre very cheap, maybe a buck for bag of 4 or 5.
I then put the chicken legs in the bag with whatever veg scraps I have (yesterday’s batch was leek tops, celery tops, bell pepper scraps, onion scraps, tomato, garlic, and a handful of red cabbage trimmings). A good amount of sea salt is added then slow boiled for several hours.
I then drink the broth or make different soups (like Stracitella Romana) and give the chicken and vegetables to the dogs.
I realize this is an older post, but I just came across it and am very interested in starting this process for my family. I mentioned it to a friend and her concern was lead in the crock pot. I never thought of that. What do you think? Is it a concern at all?
I don’t perceive it as a concern as none of the slowcookers I’ve had have ever tested positive for lead.
Can you recommend a lead-free slow cooker?
I was concerned about this too after coming across this:
http://insightfulnana.com/home-garden/housekeeping-home-garden/lead-poisoning-and-crock-pots
I made the perpetual soup last Sunday and have enjoyed it immensely, but after reading this warning, am concerned. Is there a certain brand of slow cooker that’s known to be safe?
All slowcookers sold in the US are tested and are safe. The threat of lead in slowcookers is GROSSLY overrated.
I have tried this several times now and have come up with a way that works for me. I have a very large, very new, Hamilton Beach, 8 quart oval crock pot. The first few times I followed this recipe (leaving out the carrots, etc) I put the crock pot on LOW and 12 hours later, the mixture was boiling and boiling. By 24 hours, the smell was overwhelming because it was actually boiling out the water and the liquid that as left was getting pretty concentrated, and strong smelling. Remember this is on LOW. But this last time, I put the crock pot on HIGH for about 30 minutes (to heat it up, but not to boiling) then turned it on WARM. I tested the temperature after 12 hours, and it was 170. (per the USDA, 40 to 140 is the “danger zone”) The mixture had an occasional bubble here and there, but it was not boiling. PERFECT. You want your stock to be on a simmer that produces an occasional bubble every 2-3 seconds. After 36 hours, I used a fine mesh strainer to get most of the liquid out (I push the bottom of the strainer down in the mixture, then scoop liquid out of the middle of the strainer), then I filled it up again with fresh water and kept the mixture going. I turned it on HIGH for 30 minutes again, then back on WARM. I expect I could do this for an entire week, removing broth and adding water, no problem. And there is no smell! The smell was so strong before, it would wake us up in the back of the house. Hope this helps some people!! I really think that crock pot makers are afraid of getting sued, so they have changed newer crock pots to run hotter than they used to.
Karen,
Great information. Do you have the white 33181 or the black 33182?
Thanks,
~Erika
i have the white one. i totally love it.
Thank you, thank you for mentioning about the smell. I stopped making the 24 hour broths because I could not sleep with the strong smell. Yea! Now I know.
Hi! I just found this wonderful blog and I am intrigued by perpetual soup. I started my first batch last Wednesday night with a whole chicken and the other recipe ingredients. Thursday morning I removed the chicken meat and returned the bones and organs to the pot. I have been following the instructions regarding taking out stock and adding water.
I have a quick question: Is it safe to keep the crockpot on the “keep warm” or lowest setting? I checked the broth’s temperature just now and it is about 140 degrees F.
Any feedback would be greatly apreciated.
This is the tastiest stock I have every made. My children are enjoying it with noodles!
Check the heat on your soup after it’s been heating for an hour. My crockpot is about 175F on low and about 190F on high. According to food handler’s permit training, unrefrigerated poultry needs to stay above 165F to remain safe for consumption.
Check those food handler’s temps again.165F is what poultry needs to reach before you can eat it. Holding temp is no less than 145F.
I tried making this soup, but I think my crockpot is not heating high enough. I never actually get a simmer or any bubbles of any kind. I looked up how to check the temperature on the crock pot, and I checked it at about 3 hours and again at 9 hours. The broth only registered at about 150 at 3 hrs and the chicken was about 130. At 9 hrs it read 185 for the broth and I think it was more like 150 for the chicken itself. I was scared to eat it so I tossed it all. Do you see an actual simmer on your broth when it is in the crock pot? It is a long oval crock pot. I also have the basic round crock pot and it seems to always get food simmering. I think I am going to try setting the oval crock on high and test it with water only to see what happens. if it doesn’t work I am tossing the oval one.
Thank you for sharing. I will be using this!! We’d love to have you share on our site. Go take a peek, if you’re interesed, shoot me an email. I know the ladies would love, love, love, to hear from you!!
Kind regards,
Kasse D.
So you use 1 chicken carcass per week? I was wondering how many times I could “re-use” the chicken bones to make broth. I was under the impression I could only use it once.
Help, I made the broth from a whole chicken beginning on a Friday evening. Took the meat off the bones and returned the carcass to the pot about noon on Saturday. Also drank about a quart of the broth (replaced with water). Sometime during the night (Saturday), we lost power or had a power surge…anyway when I got up this morning, the crock pot had gone off. The ceramic liner was still pretty warm to the touch and broth was pretty warm (but not hot). I went ahead and strained the broth and stuck it in the fridge and tossed the bones. Is it safe to drink the broth? Thanks so much – I love your site!
This happened to me last night . I guess I have to through it out?
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Just boil it for 20 min, and it’ll be fine.
Yes, yes. We live in the rural mountains and lose power constantly. We just turn it back on in the morning. We even do it on purpose with our huge stock pot. When the stock really needs to be decanted but we’re too busy, we just shut it off, reheat it in the morning, and then decant.
Thank you for your post on bone broth soup. As a child, I grew up on long-simmering soups. My Chinese parents would make make long-simmering soup two or three times a week. Whenever we are sick, my parents would say we are not drinking enough soup. As an adult, I have carry on the tradition of making soup for my family. It is very nourishing and cleansing for our bodies. The slow-cooking method is new to me, but it makes sense. My father had a restaurant and the way they make their tasty chicken stock is to leave a very large stock pot on the stove simmering all day long and they keep adding chicken bones as they debone fresh chicken. The longer the stock simmers and adding more bones in, the sweeter and more rich the stock becomes. When I make chicken stock at home, I will simmer my chicken stock using skinless chicken and simmer for about 4 to 6 hours on the stove. The stock taste rich and sweet that I don’t need to add salt. I can just drink it plain. I don’t add any pepper or herbs to the broth. Just water and chicken to make my rich stock (the Chinese way). I will try the slow cooker method. I’m a bit hesitant is that I’m not use to leaving a slow cooker 24 hours a day and having to leave for work a good part of the day and hoping I don’t come home in horror to see my house burnt down to the ground because of bone broth soup.
Hi Jenny,
I am feeling really dense right now, but I can’t seem to find the note you mention in the ingredients list regarding recommended vegetables. I read this post last week, and recall seeing the note then–but can’t remember where I saw it or its contents (I have two boys, 3 and five months ha!). I am roasting my chicken today to then pop in the crock pot tonight, so I hope you see this and can point me in the right direction! Something about vegetables that slow cook better than others… ??
Hi Jenny, I also can’t find the note Elizabeth is referring to. Although the ingredient list mentions to see the note about which vegetables work best, that sentence doesn’t seem to have a link and I don’t see a note anywhere else. Did you remove that link?
I made Mark Hymen’s Ultrabroth a few times and I seem to recall him recommending not using onion or garlic because it can make the flavor weird after so much cooking. It’d be much appreciated if you can point us to the appropriate note or link!
I think this is what you are asking for. I copied this from above.
Mike Corbel says
December 2, 2012 at 2:29 am
I’m new at this, but you could try a Web search using beef (or veal), bones, broth and possibly recipe for search terms. I’m somewhat new to this, only having begun last month to use Web searches to try to find out how other people boil their meat bones in order to make broths and stocks. I’ve done it for some years with chicken and turkey carcasses, the skeletal remains. I just threw all of the remains, minus the skin of the birds, into a stock pot, filled it with water enough to have nearly a couple of inches of water above all of the bones, added some spices (romarin, black pepper, maybe oregano, and onion), and then cooked this at a low boil for 2.5 to 3 hours. It seemed okay, I guess, but I bought some beef bones nearly 2 months ago and wasn’t sure how to proceed with these, so did some Web searches.
Firstly, it seems that veal bones are far more recommendable than beef bones are. Same animal, only much younger. (I imagine lamb bones would also be very good to use but I haven’t begun to search about using these, yet.)
Secondly, the bones should have meat on them. Meat on or with the bones is apparently important for adding more flavor. And, I guess anyway, it also adds minerals.
Thirdly, and like this Web page says for making chicken broth, adding vegetable scraps seems to be of real value. All of the recipes I read about making beef bone broth said to add vegetable scraps, which is something I never thought of doing when I formerly boiled chicken and turkey bones.
One thing the or most of the recipes for making beef bone broth said about vegetable scraps is to NOT use, so to exclude, scraps from cruciferous vegetables. They include cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, brussel sprouts, mustard and collard greens, kale, and possibly other plants. For a reason I don’t yet know, these cruciferous vegetables must be excluded when making beef bone broth and the same has to be true when making veal bone broth, since it’s the same animal.
If you check the Wikipedia page for “Cruciferous vegetables”, then you’ll see a table for a considerably long list of plants in this family. It includes the plants I named, above, plus many more; even radish, turnip and rutabaga. I’m not happy about turnip and rutabaga, for I used scraps of them for making my veal bone broth this week. There was very little of these scraps though, so the broth will hopefully be unaffected.
But it seems that someone who makes broths from veal or beef as well as fowl should freeze the vegetable scraps separately; freezing the cruciferous plant scraps in a separate bag or container. If only interested in making veal or beef broth, then the cruciferous scraps can simply be thrown out or into the compost bin right away. I’d want veal and fowl broths, and will look into lamb and probably ham; as well as fish, seafood and pure vegetable broths. All of these are healthy for us and as an old English-language expression says, “Variety is (the) spice of life”.
BTW, this Web site has a recipe for making beef bone broth or stock and it’s one of the recipes I found last month while searching the Web.
https://nourishedkitchen.com/beef-stock-recipe
The recipe uses the term “brassicas” instead of crucifers, but crucifers is what they are. Quoting from Wikipedia, “Brassica (…) is a genus of plants in the mustard family (Brassicaceae). The members of the genus are collectively known as cruciferous vegetables, cabbages, or mustards. Crops from this genus are sometimes called cole crops, which is derived from the Latin caulis, meaning stem or cabbage.[1]”.
None of the beef/veal bone broth recipe Web pages I read through explain why the crucifers (cruciferous vegetables) need to be excluded and I’d seriously like to know what the reason is. But, when we get warnings like this, then it’s to help prevent readers from diminishing or else ruining the quality of their results. So we should heed the warnings.
I must be a real cooking ignoramus? What is a chicken frame? Does it just mean everything but the mean, like skeleton and skin? And if the fat is hot for that long, doesn’t it get rancid?
I asked my mom, who made soup from poultry frames (the main body after you’ve picked off the meat) all during my childhood – she said that you want to leave in the skin plus some meat on the bones because that’s what gives it a good flavor. If you use a Thanksgiving turkey, it’s recommended to throw in the turkey neck if you had it roasting in the pan, too. I also threw in the wings and a drumstick whole!
I have tried this the last couple of weeks. I was wondering why it started to smell bad after the first couple of days? I had an onion in. Is prolonged cooking ok with the fat left in? also have added egg shells for more mineral content. Is that appropriate for ‘perpetual’ stock. I gave up on the last batch and started over because I figured if it doesn’t smell good, might not be good for us.
We have a large family (9 of us), so my recipes take a lot off. Would rebuilding so often reduce the quality? I’m assuming I would start fresh every 4 days or so, though we are no to the extent of the whole lot of us just drinking it, so sometimes it sits and other days I use a lot. Thanks for your response!
How much are you taking out every day? That’s going to affect the flavor.
Some days only a cup or two. Others I will use maybe 2/3 then refill, if I’m using it for soup. It is a 6 quart.
That’s the problem. If you’re only taking a cup or two, the stock will taste burnt. If you’re using half, the stock will become watery.
It sounds from your post that you are consuming 2-3 quarts per day which would be more than half the liquid in a 6qt stockpot. Does your broth become watery? I am on the GAPS diet and with a family of 5 we seem to go through several gallons of stock per week. For the past year we have been making it in our 9 gallon stockpot, but this results in an electricity increase of about $80/mo. I would love to switch to the crock-pot, or even two, as I have 13qts between the two, but I need to be sure that I can access 2-3 qts per day and that those quarts and the ones following are of high nutritional content. I would love to hear your thoughts on this! Thanks so much!
As a side note, I’ve pleased to hear about the grinding of the used bones. We had been giving all of these soft bones to our working dogs, but I may start skimming them for myself and leaving them with the goat bones. Thanks again!
I have been enjoying the conversation as I’m new to making broth and I wanted to comment on what you said about giving soft bones to your dogs. I feed my dogs/cats raw food, however cooked soft bones are not good for animals as the bones can easily splinter in their mouths causing great pain. If you are going to give bones to animals make sure they are raw. There is a lot of info online about this so you can look it up. I know it sounds a little counter intuitive but its true!
What Aimee is referring to U.S. When bones have been cooked down so much that they crumble when pressed lightly between your thumb and forefinger. They’re mushy at this point, and not splinter so they pose no risk of injury.
Although I believe you are correct about dogs and splintered bones. But I sadly have not followed that advice. Every time I cook a chicken, the dog gets the part I don’t eat. This has been going on for three years. She has not yapped out of pain while eating. I have also read that they can get splintered bones in their throats, It all seems logical but she has never had a problem and appreciates the bones too much. I may regret it one day but my thoughts where dogs have been around for a long time without a person around to check what they were eating. I will give this one caution, my dog is an easy eater. She eats slow without excitement. I would be concerned if my dog was a gulper, or fast, excited eater.
Egg shells can have bacteria on them – I would be concerned about throwing those in.
Frances wrote, “Egg shells can have bacteria on them …”.
Sure, but shells from hard-boiled eggs can be used very safely. I lightly roasted some in the oven between 160-170F to get them nice and brittle and then powdered them. It’s a very rich source of calcium and based on what I read, this also is a a very easily digested calcium source, the easiest to quickly benefit from. Something like that anyway.
Shells from raw eggs can possibly be used, though how to properly clean is something I don’t know and could only guess about. We can safely consume raw eggs from healthy producers though, so there should be a way to clean the outside of the shells of raw eggs to make them safe for human consumption. On the other hand, if the shells are placed in the broth liquid when it’s going to be brought to a boil, then the boiling may be possibly enough to decontaminate shells that have bacteria; perhaps (?).
Replying to Mike Corbell “Shells from raw eggs can possibly be used, though how to properly clean is something I don’t know”
Rinse excess egg from the shells under running water, then boil them for about 10 minutes. This will kill any remaining bacteria and make them safe to use in broths or to crush and put in gelatin capsules as a great calcium source.
My father, who is 85 and going strong, has never drank milk as an adult and likes very few milk products (yogurt & cheese is about it). I’ve been cleaning and crushing egg shells for him since I was a teenager to help him get enough calcium. His doc says he’s in perfect health.
Also, I’d recommend the eggs shell calcium supplement for all women. I think osteoporosis wouldn’t be such a big problem if women got more USABLE calcium in our diets. Not all supplements are in a form your body can use.
If you cook the chicken in the soup for a week, it seems that the fat would be kept at an elevated temperature (even though it’s a crockpot) for a long period. Doesn’t this render it unhealthful?
Based on Web searches performed over the past couple of months for making broth using beef bones, as well as veal (young beef) bones, the ultimate amount of cooking time, using simmer after getting the water to boil at the start and whenever more water is added, is 72 hours. Some authors of recipes said far fewer hours, but some of them added that 72 was ideal. And they all said to then let the liquid cool and then put the pot in the refrigerator. Refrigeration is for causing the fat to harden and coagulate, rather than being in an oily film form; making it easy to remove the fat. I experimented with this and found it to be true.
The same thing could be done with broth made using bones, et cetera, from chicken, turkey and other fowl; surely. It may be a very good idea to allow whatever’s not going to be consumed in a day to continue to simmer, while removing what’s going to be consumed, allowing it to cool, placing the cooled liquid in the refrigerator until the liquid is cold, and then pulling the container out of the refrigerator to see the results. If you see stiffened or hardened coagulated fat on the surface of the liquid, then remove these fat pieces. Otherwise, I wouldn’t worry about the tiny amount of fat that might be present in the liquid.
With fowl, and if the bones, et cetera, are boiled and then brought down to simmer for many hours of cooking, I doubt that you’ll find any significant presence of fat; if the skin and all visible fat underneath skin is removed before the cooking. I don’t know why someone would want to include the skin and removable fat during the cooking. I’d definitely remove it, first. After that, I wouldn’t worry about a little saturated fat that’s in such small quantity that it isn’t even noticeable after refrigeration. A little saturated fat isn’t going to kill even me, who has to be careful about triglycerides and LDL cholesterol.
If the rest of a person’s diet is good, like very low in saturated fats, then there shouldn’t be a problem, I believe anyway.
Why not go to http://www.westonaprice.org. You will find articles such as “The skinny on fats” talking about fat and biochemistry – we need more saturated fat in our diets than what the mainstream wants us to believe. Also, starches/carbohydrates is what elevates triglycerides. My husband lowered his triglycerides that way – we use full fat cheeses, milk, and don’t take off skin or skim fat off chicken soup either.
Caryn, I understand that what you recommend is what low carb diets recommend.
We started pasturing 2 cattle for beef and was wondering if the beef bones would work for perceptual soup too?
I use beef bones, too, but they don’t boil down to grit as quickly as chicken, so I pinch open the bones that will “give” and then put the more resilient ones back in the freezer for next time, once I collect enough bones for another batch. The size of cow bones keeps the goodies inside very well protected and they sound awful / unsafe in a VitaMix.
Shar wrote on April 19, 2012 at 3:42 pm, “We started pasturing 2 cattle for beef and was wondering if the beef bones would work for perceptual soup too?”
It’s perpetual, not perceptual. Perpetual is about time, whereas perceptual is about perception, how we perceive something.
I’m new at this, but you could try a Web search using beef (or veal), bones, broth and possibly recipe for search terms. I’m somewhat new to this, only having begun last month to use Web searches to try to find out how other people boil their meat bones in order to make broths and stocks. I’ve done it for some years with chicken and turkey carcasses, the skeletal remains. I just threw all of the remains, minus the skin of the birds, into a stock pot, filled it with water enough to have nearly a couple of inches of water above all of the bones, added some spices (romarin, black pepper, maybe oregano, and onion), and then cooked this at a low boil for 2.5 to 3 hours. It seemed okay, I guess, but I bought some beef bones nearly 2 months ago and wasn’t sure how to proceed with these, so did some Web searches.
Firstly, it seems that veal bones are far more recommendable than beef bones are. Same animal, only much younger. (I imagine lamb bones would also be very good to use but I haven’t begun to search about using these, yet.)
Secondly, the bones should have meat on them. Meat on or with the bones is apparently important for adding more flavor. And, I guess anyway, it also adds minerals.
Thirdly, and like this Web page says for making chicken broth, adding vegetable scraps seems to be of real value. All of the recipes I read about making beef bone broth said to add vegetable scraps, which is something I never thought of doing when I formerly boiled chicken and turkey bones.
One thing the or most of the recipes for making beef bone broth said about vegetable scraps is to NOT use, so to exclude, scraps from cruciferous vegetables. They include cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, brussel sprouts, mustard and collard greens, kale, and possibly other plants. For a reason I don’t yet know, these cruciferous vegetables must be excluded when making beef bone broth and the same has to be true when making veal bone broth, since it’s the same animal.
If you check the Wikipedia page for “Cruciferous vegetables”, then you’ll see a table for a considerably long list of plants in this family. It includes the plants I named, above, plus many more; even radish, turnip and rutabaga. I’m not happy about turnip and rutabaga, for I used scraps of them for making my veal bone broth this week. There was very little of these scraps though, so the broth will hopefully be unaffected.
But it seems that someone who makes broths from veal or beef as well as fowl should freeze the vegetable scraps separately; freezing the cruciferous plant scraps in a separate bag or container. If only interested in making veal or beef broth, then the cruciferous scraps can simply be thrown out or into the compost bin right away. I’d want veal and fowl broths, and will look into lamb and probably ham; as well as fish, seafood and pure vegetable broths. All of these are healthy for us and as an old English-language expression says, “Variety is (the) spice of life”.
BTW, this Web site has a recipe for making beef bone broth or stock and it’s one of the recipes I found last month while searching the Web.
https://nourishedkitchen.com/beef-stock-recipe
The recipe uses the term “brassicas” instead of crucifers, but crucifers is what they are. Quoting from Wikipedia, “Brassica (…) is a genus of plants in the mustard family (Brassicaceae). The members of the genus are collectively known as cruciferous vegetables, cabbages, or mustards. Crops from this genus are sometimes called cole crops, which is derived from the Latin caulis, meaning stem or cabbage.[1]”.
None of the beef/veal bone broth recipe Web pages I read through explain why the crucifers (cruciferous vegetables) need to be excluded and I’d seriously like to know what the reason is. But, when we get warnings like this, then it’s to help prevent readers from diminishing or else ruining the quality of their results. So we should heed the warnings.
Mike dear, you mustn’t use brassicas or cruciferous veg in your stocks because of the high level of sulfur in the vegetables. The longer they cook, the stronger and more unpleasant they taste. Don’t get me wrong, I love broccoli, turnips, greens, rutabagas, etc. but they make a very unsavory stock. (I tried it once. Yikes.)
Happy stocking!
In my 8-gal. kettle, I put mostly chicken bones, then add fistful of organic celery tops, one carrot, an onion, and a turnip, in addition to a couple of bay leaves, a small fistful of peppercorns, a tablespoon of Celtic salt, and 1/2 cup white wine.. I consider the turnip a wonderful addition; it does not add any off flavors or smells whatsoever.
Whenever I am preparing meals using onions, carrots or celery, I always place the ‘ends’ & the peels of the veggies in the same freezer bag I place chicken parts (skin, bones, drippings from the pan, etc.) until I have accumulated 3 chickens worth of ‘parts’, I throw all the onion skins & ends, carrot & celery ends (including the root end of the celery, even if there is a little dirt left on the stem) all into my stock pot. Hey, why throw away all the ‘ends and peels’ when every recipe calls for “cut an onion in quarters, or cut a carrot in sections or cut 1 or 2 branches of celery’ – why not use the ends. I have been doing that for years! And, it works just fine! The veggie ends & peels add a lot of depth to your stock. I don’t use any other veggies in my stock and I NEVER add salt, as the salt intensifies as you reduce stock, a little pepper a bay leaf, that’s fine.
When My stock is ready, usually after a light bubble of cooking for a day or two, I simply turn off the burner and let the entire pot cool. I ‘fish out’ the bones & veggie trimmings and dump them into a large colander sitting over as large a pot as my stock pot. Then I dump the entire contents of the stock pot in the same colander (I fish out the scraps first because they can suddenly surge when you are dumping them and cause a spill) and let the contents drain into the 2d pot. I dump the drained contents into my yard where my chickens consume all but any large bones within an hour or tow – they are so happy!
Next, I chill the stock, allowing the fat to rise to the top and congeal. I scoop out the fat, heat it and allow it to chill as a method of clarifying it, I use the fat for cooking things such as French Fries – WOW, you’ve never tasted such fries as when you cook the in chicken fat (or duck fat, even better).
Once I’ve removed the fat, I heat the stock to ‘thin it’ and then pour it through a wetted kitchen towel to strain out the the teeny bits and pieces leaving me with a nice semi-clear stock. I ladle the tock into a 1/2 liter measuring cup, pour it into zip-lock sandwich bags and freeze them for future use.
Or, I keep enough on hand to make a new chicken soup,
Sweat some diced veggies in un-salted butter, add chopped chicken, canned, diced tomatoes, maybe some type of pasta, let it simmer for a bit, and voila, the best chicken soup ever.
BTW, if you process your own, home grown chickens (or know someone that raises chickens on the farm and processes the chickens), save the feet, or ask your friend for the feet. Usually, the feet are thrown away – big mistake! Use the feet just as you would the other bones of chicken for making stock. WOW, now you have stock on steroids – just kidding about the steroids – for a stock that jells up like super Jello, in fact its even denser than Jello! Now, we’re talking super Condroiton!
You feed your chickens chicken bones?
Exactly what I was thinking. Silence of the chickens!
At the Chinese market they sell chicken feet. I just wish it was ‘clean’ chicken. I’ll have to check with wholefoods to see but I bet they get them in without the feet.
The chicken feet add mostly collagen.
Whew! Thanks for clearing that up.
You mention using a whole chicken which is what I am doing right now. My question is, how long does it have to cook in the crockpot before the meat is done and I can take it off the bones?
I guess you haven’t had time to respond but I figured it out. It took about 5 hours; I cooled it and pulled off the chicken meat. After the bones had cooked for 2 days and were sufficiently soft, I cooled the broth and put the whole thing in my VitaMix to liquify the bones. Now my broth includes all the marrow, too, as well as every piece of bone. It is so delicious!
I’ve been making bone broth in my stock pot on the stove top for a couple years. The first few batches I brewed for a couple days, then squeezed the bones to reveal quite a bit of stuff that looked like it was too worthy to be thrown out, so I pinched open all the pieces that would “give” and kept on simmering. I have a Vita-Mix and after the long simmering process, I process it ALL in that, about 6 Cups at at time. I freeze it and use it as soup base later on (but never much later!). It warms the apartment nicely in winter; I don’t do it much in Texas summers. Even the VitaMix leaves some chewy “sand” in the bottom (it’s more annoying when a tiny grain of bone gets stuck in my throat), and that sometimes gets tossed. It adds SO MUCH taste to plain soups (split pea, lentil, etc. all those things GAPS restricts!).
I use beef bones, too, but they don’t boil down to grit as quickly as chicken, so I pinch open the bones that will “give” and then put the more resilient ones back in the freezer for next time, once I collect enough bones for another batch.
I have been making bone broth for months now, and believe it was a turning point in helping heal my broken ribs! Seemed like a no-brainer to give my body the raw materials needed, and when x-rays showed “no change” after 3 months, I started taking it almost daily and the next x-rays showed knitting! Anyway, got carried away on my background; my question is when to discard the bones. I recently wondered about grinding them up and cooking again. Seems to me, the softer the bones get, the easier the remaining minerals can be extracted, right? If there are bones that have been cooked a dozen times, they are still bones, and still have nutrients, right? I know the stuff that produces gelatin gets used up quickly, but the bones themselves should still yield something, seems to me.
What a great idea! I want a Vitamix SO MUCH!!!
Small investment, big payoffs. Sturdy and reliable. May I offer a suggestion to those who cannot afford one. Put it on your Christmas, birthday wish list. A couple of people can go in on buying it for you.
I highly recommend the VItaMix for a variety of things. I had a great blender and a Champion juicer and didn’t think I needed one. Last December, I started extensive dental work which involved the removal of all remaining lower teeth, healing, and later adding posts and healing again, then impressions and all that. It is now September and the work should be finished by the end of October (oh to chew again!). A friend fixed some drinks for me with her VitaMix and I decided to spend the bucks to get one. I had a 20 percent off coupon on Bed Bath & Beyond and it was on sale so I got a really good deal. It is the best money I spent in a long time.
My most recent work reducer was making tomato sauce – I washed, quartered the tomatoes into the VitaMix, ran it until the seeds were liquid too, and cooked the tomatoes to the consistency I wanted. The most delicious sauce I have ever had with all the nutrition in the skins and seeds too! I am going to follow some suggestions here and use it to finish up chicken broth to fully utilize all of the available nutrition from these wonderful pasture-raised chickens in the freezer. Thank you, folks for writing about it, it is truly appreciated as I doubt I would have tried it.
Wow…. How was it?
What about apple cider vinegar? I was under the impression that ACV is needed to pull minerals from the bones. Is it not necessary because you cook it so long?
I use ACV for the reason you mentioned and I cook the broth it for 2 days.
Does the ACV affect the flavor much?
I used the recipe in Practical Paleo, which called for 2 Tbsp. ACV (preferably Bragg’s) for 64 cups of water plus the frame of my Thanksgiving turkey – you couldn’t taste it at all! I noticed the smell at the start of the cook time, but that only lasted for a few minutes.
I use white wine for the same purpose–the acidity helps draw the minerals out of the bones. I use 1/2 cup for an 8-gal. kettle filled w/bones.
i use acv or clean organic lemons ginger and a chunk of fresh turmeric. fennel and caraway are nice also or star anise are healthful and yummy.
I’m new to this. My question- is there any risk of food poisoning from keeping this broth going all week? Won’t it go off? Sorry, but need to understand…
The broth won’t go off, It’s kept at a constant simmer by the crock pot, which means between 195 and 212. At this heat all germs are killed. Germs are what creat spoilage, hence no spoilage.
hi, love the broth ideas, I would like the ideas for beef bones and turkey. I think I would prefer to can my broth . only because it is only me at home most of the time and, I am gone alot. your broth sounds so delicious and healthy, and I do use alot of stock at 3.00$ a pop, it gets very costly. looking forward to your responses! thank you.
Check out my comment from earlier today I love the arrangement I have with Whole Foods.
Bethany,
I looked earlier, will you share your agreement that you have with whole foods again , I dont see it anywhere.
ThankYou
Please include broths and other recipes that come out as nutritious. by cooking them in an electric pressure cooker.
I don’t recommend using pressure cookers.
Why don’t you recomment using a pressure cooker? I have heard people say that they turned out some amazing broth with them.
Is there a reason why? I use one often and want to make sure it’s as nutritious!
Pressure cooking is not a traditional practice and as this site is focused exclusively on traditional foods, I avoid their use.
I’m more worried about safety issues, myself. I know the modern pressure cookers are supposed to be a lot safer but it only takes one glitch.
How are crock pots more of a traditional practice than slow cookers?
hooey. The pressure cooker was invented some three hundred years BEFORE the crock pot… silly reason to toss out a wonderful time saver and nutrient saver 🙂
No no no… not pressure cooker. SLOW COOKER or CROCK POT (whichever you want to call it.) I think someone mentioned pressure cooker up top and it kind of derailed the comments.
As for safety, there’s little chance for a fire. There is no flame, only heat. As long as it’s not near anything flammable that could ignite (I leave mine on my electric stove), the wire isn’t frayed, and you don’t let it boil down to nothing, there’s little chance that anything could happen.
Cooking mine right now! Can’t wait to see how it works out!
Slow cookers are twentieth century tech, but slow cooking isn’t. Previously they kept pots going perpetually over a hearth or on a wood stove. So with a crock pot, you can approximate old cooking methods—but more safely, and using a lot less electricity.
You miss the point. It’s not about *when* the device was invented; rather, it’s about how it’s cooked. Slow cooking is a traditional and very old method of cookery, pressure cooking is not.
Love that site, Yummly.com, for its recipes and associated search engine.
I really want to try this recipe. Do I need to worry about having the crockpot on that long, though..like a fire?
It hasn’t been an issue in our home.
One thing the recipe doesn’t mention is whether you leave the crock pot *covered* or *uncovered*? Since the author doesn’t seem to be responding, anyone want to chime in? I’d feel strange going out and leaving the crock pot on, but even stranger leaving it uncovered.
That’s why we use crockpots instead of, say, the stove! The new ones are all safety tested. If you have an old one, check the length of the cord for frays or nicks and make sure the inside of the burner is very clean. Be vigilant the first time you try it. If you smell burning plastic, shut it down! Other than that, it should be fine! This is what they are made to do!
I read this yesterday, I bought a crock pot today. Is it safe to leave a crock pot on (low) for 72 hours?
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When have you ever come across a recipe in which a slowcooker was left uncovered?
cover the crock pot it helps maintain the liquid levels. I use the recipe from Nourishing Traditions for my broth. I have cooked it in the crockpot for a little over 24 hours but not for a week or perpetually. It is really good! the recipe suggests carrots, celery, onion, garlic, bay leaf, peppercorns, ACV, celtic sea salt.
Slow cookers won’t work properly if left uncovered; they won’t retain enough heat. It’s completely contrary to the way they were designed to operate.
That’s the whole point of the crock pot.
Covered of course.
You leave the lid off or offset or propped up with chopsticks when making fruit butters.
My crock pot will automatically turn off after 12 hours. So I start it in the morning and in the evening, I turn it off and start it again just to reset the clock. I don’t want it to automatically turn off during the night!!
But yes, I just finished simmering a chicken frame in my crockpot for 72 hours – no fire. The heat is contained in the pot. AND KEEP THE LID ON!! Otherwise the water will boil out and it might burn. PLUS Crockpots are NOT EVER / NEVER designed to be used with the lid off. They will be unable to maintain a correct temperature if the lid is off.
Has anybody CRACKED their crockpot? This is the 3rd time I did perpetual soup and I noticed that on day 2, the soup level had really gone down. Well, just cleaned up my crockpot (I only go for 3 days at a time) and my crockpot is now CRACKED! So I guess it really isn’t a good idea to leave the crockpot on perpetually for 3 days at a time. It probably cracked when it was left on HIGH overnight. (I made the mistake of starting the soup near bedtime, so the next day when I took a quart out and put new water in – it was bedtime. And I figured it would never get back to boiling on low, so I put it on HIGH and went to bed. From now on, (IF i can get a new crockpot) I will start the soup mid-morning so I can turn it from HIGH to LOW after it starts boiling. Even better, I will probably preheat the water I’m about to add on the stove so it’s near boiling anyway.
BUT I AM SO BUMMED, My handy-dandy
Hamilton Beach Crock Pot with the meat probe is now CRACKED! (DH is not going to be happy about this)
Call the customer service department from the Hamilton Beach to tell them what happened. It shouldn’t have cracked just from cooking on high overnight. They may replace it. I have a Rival C.P. that I havn’t used very often but when I did, it would burn the food in certain spots. I used it recently for a roast and vegies. I cooked it on high for a couple hrs. then turned it to low for ten hours. My son came the next morning and all of it was burnt! I called cust. serv. and exlained what was going on. They are going to send me another heating element for free. I couldn’t remember how long I’ve had it but they didn’t even ask me. So give that a try!
Call the customer service department from the Hamilton Beach to tell them what happened. It shouldn’t have cracked just from cooking on high overnight. They may replace it. I have a Rival C.P. that I havn’t used very often but when I did, it would burn the food in certain spots. I used it recently for a roast and vegies. I cooked it on high for a couple hrs. then turned it to low for ten hours. My son came the next morning and all of it was burnt! I called cust. serv. and exlained what was going on. They are going to send me another heating element for free. I couldn’t remember how long I’ve had it but they didn’t even ask me. So give that a try. I hope they are able to help you!
Hi Christie, I have had a similar problem in the past. It may be that you need to heat the water before adding it. A When the temperature changes too quickly it can cause it to crack.
Thank you, Elle – but they did ask how long I’d had it, and since it was over a year, I had to pay for a new liner (about $25). But it was worth it. In the meantime we got a different (cheaper) crockpot, but it lost liquid so fast that the broth would cake on the sides and burn before I could top it off with water – so that crockpot was useless for perpetual broth. Now we keep it on low all the time and it bubbles away just fine. We’ve done broth for 3-4 days each time, probably 3 or 4 times with the new liner and no problems. No more HIGH for me! 🙂 I also put a chicken foot in each batch to up the fat content and help with my husband’s joint problems.