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> <channel><title>Comments on: Sour Milk: Lessons from Scandinavia</title> <atom:link href="http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/</link> <description>Reviving Traditional Foods</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:01:29 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: silvana</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-25315</link> <dc:creator>silvana</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:47:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-25315</guid> <description>liked your comment :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>liked your comment <img
src='http://nourishedkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Susanna</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-25284</link> <dc:creator>Susanna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:53:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-25284</guid> <description>Thank you for this lovely post, I enjoyed it very much. Here in Finland raw milk is very trendy. Farms are allowed to sell up to 2500 litres of raw milk per year and it is readily available in several stores here in Helsinki (our capital). Raw cow&#039;s and goat&#039;s milk is selled  in 1 litre bottles or 3 litre packs. We also have a fairly new food market specialising in local and organic foods which sells raw milk by the litre, you can bring in your own bottle and they will fill it. There is also a milk bar where they use only raw milk in cafe lattes, smoothies etc.Finland has been influenced both by Sweden in the west and Russia in the east.  For instance the viili made on the west coast was stringy, just like fil in Sweden whereas the  viili in the East was more creamy, perhaps the eastern Finnish version had its roots in Russia? Viili is mostly consumed in the summers and the best part of it may well be the thin, creamy layer on top of the viili, we often sprinkle it with sugar, cinnamon or both. Viili does not set if it is made during a thunderstorm, so do not try to make it then!Tettemelk is also called långmjölk and can be made with two different plants: pinguicula vulgaris (native in Northern Europe, Russia, Canada and parts of the US) and drosera intermedia (temperate/tropical climates).Then there are numerous other lovely fermented milk products in Finland: rahka (kvarg in swedish, a creamy very sour product made of fermented heated milk), kirnupiimä (a special piimä, a by-product of butter), smetana (originally russian, a bit thicker, creamier and tangier than creme fraiche), kermaviili (gräddfil in swedish, its fermented cream a tangy and lighter , more fresh version of creme fraiche, we make dip sauce of it) etc. Also, let&#039;s not forget kvass, an absolutely lovely and superhealthy non-dairy probiotic made of fermented cabbage, beets, carrots, berries and herbs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this lovely post, I enjoyed it very much. Here in Finland raw milk is very trendy. Farms are allowed to sell up to 2500 litres of raw milk per year and it is readily available in several stores here in Helsinki (our capital). Raw cow&#8217;s and goat&#8217;s milk is selled  in 1 litre bottles or 3 litre packs. We also have a fairly new food market specialising in local and organic foods which sells raw milk by the litre, you can bring in your own bottle and they will fill it. There is also a milk bar where they use only raw milk in cafe lattes, smoothies etc.</p><p>Finland has been influenced both by Sweden in the west and Russia in the east.  For instance the viili made on the west coast was stringy, just like fil in Sweden whereas the  viili in the East was more creamy, perhaps the eastern Finnish version had its roots in Russia? Viili is mostly consumed in the summers and the best part of it may well be the thin, creamy layer on top of the viili, we often sprinkle it with sugar, cinnamon or both. Viili does not set if it is made during a thunderstorm, so do not try to make it then!</p><p>Tettemelk is also called långmjölk and can be made with two different plants: pinguicula vulgaris (native in Northern Europe, Russia, Canada and parts of the US) and drosera intermedia (temperate/tropical climates).</p><p>Then there are numerous other lovely fermented milk products in Finland: rahka (kvarg in swedish, a creamy very sour product made of fermented heated milk), kirnupiimä (a special piimä, a by-product of butter), smetana (originally russian, a bit thicker, creamier and tangier than creme fraiche), kermaviili (gräddfil in swedish, its fermented cream a tangy and lighter , more fresh version of creme fraiche, we make dip sauce of it) etc. Also, let&#8217;s not forget kvass, an absolutely lovely and superhealthy non-dairy probiotic made of fermented cabbage, beets, carrots, berries and herbs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-25242</link> <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:22:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-25242</guid> <description>I&#039;ve frozen fil mjolk  for about 14 months and brought it back to life easily.
I&#039;m curious about any benefits of fil mjolk over the milk from which it is made.
Can anyone address the subject or perhaps refer me to reliable information on it?
10Q,  Joe</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve frozen fil mjolk  for about 14 months and brought it back to life easily.<br
/> I&#8217;m curious about any benefits of fil mjolk over the milk from which it is made.<br
/> Can anyone address the subject or perhaps refer me to reliable information on it?<br
/> 10Q,  Joe</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: InSkåne</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-24526</link> <dc:creator>InSkåne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:22:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-24526</guid> <description>Josefina, to find raw milk discussion and sources in Sweden check out http://www.alternativ.nu/ There are also places to get cultures.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josefina, to find raw milk discussion and sources in Sweden check out <a
href="http://www.alternativ.nu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternativ.nu/</a> There are also places to get cultures.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sumaya</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-23001</link> <dc:creator>Sumaya</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:24:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-23001</guid> <description>Raw milk is illegal also here in Scotland. Not in England though so I can still order raw milk from England and have it shipped by express courier. But the cost is very high:(</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raw milk is illegal also here in Scotland. Not in England though so I can still order raw milk from England and have it shipped by express courier. But the cost is very high:(</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alexander Lundstrom</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-22997</link> <dc:creator>Alexander Lundstrom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:03:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-22997</guid> <description>This blog is great! Keep up the good work.When reading this post I really wish for everything in it to be true. Sadly Sweden is the only country in Europe in which raw/unpasteurized milk is forbidden by law. No company can use it and it is illegal to sell, even farmers that sell to their closest friends are not really allowed to do so. The filmjölk we drink in Sweden is nothing but a weak fake in comparison to the soured raw milk filmjölk of before. Much of the traditional Swedish cooking has been forgotten or replaced with standardized industrial products that holds no real resemblance with the traditional home cooking products made long ago.I appreciate this post alot! It deserves to be said and read - ironic how this comes from an north american blog though!Kind regards
Alexander</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog is great! Keep up the good work.</p><p>When reading this post I really wish for everything in it to be true. Sadly Sweden is the only country in Europe in which raw/unpasteurized milk is forbidden by law. No company can use it and it is illegal to sell, even farmers that sell to their closest friends are not really allowed to do so. The filmjölk we drink in Sweden is nothing but a weak fake in comparison to the soured raw milk filmjölk of before. Much of the traditional Swedish cooking has been forgotten or replaced with standardized industrial products that holds no real resemblance with the traditional home cooking products made long ago.</p><p>I appreciate this post alot! It deserves to be said and read &#8211; ironic how this comes from an north american blog though!</p><p>Kind regards<br
/> Alexander</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jenny</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-22855</link> <dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:17:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-22855</guid> <description>Thermophilic yogurts culture best between 108 and 112 degrees F.  These include things like Greek and Bulgarian yogurts. The mesophilic yogurts (like those listed above), cultured best at room temperature (65 - 78 degrees F).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermophilic yogurts culture best between 108 and 112 degrees F.  These include things like Greek and Bulgarian yogurts. The mesophilic yogurts (like those listed above), cultured best at room temperature (65 &#8211; 78 degrees F).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Fonda LaShay</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-22848</link> <dc:creator>Fonda LaShay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:59:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-22848</guid> <description>Jenny,You say to have the milk at room temp - but then say 108F. I live in Norway, on the coast where it is &#039;warm&#039; and even on the hottest summer days it does not get that hot! Like where I am if we hit 90 it is everyone freaking out. I have no A/C and only have a small wall heater + fireplace, so the warmest my house gets is  77F.All this to say, would you place the yogurt near a heat source then? Or just let it stand in out regular? I know that traditional soured milks like Filmjölk/Ymer/KefirMelk ect are &#039;soured&#039; in a colder 64F/basement/dark cool corner temperature.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny,</p><p>You say to have the milk at room temp &#8211; but then say 108F. I live in Norway, on the coast where it is &#8216;warm&#8217; and even on the hottest summer days it does not get that hot! Like where I am if we hit 90 it is everyone freaking out. I have no A/C and only have a small wall heater + fireplace, so the warmest my house gets is  77F.</p><p>All this to say, would you place the yogurt near a heat source then? Or just let it stand in out regular? I know that traditional soured milks like Filmjölk/Ymer/KefirMelk ect are &#8216;soured&#8217; in a colder 64F/basement/dark cool corner temperature.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Fonda LaShay</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-22847</link> <dc:creator>Fonda LaShay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:52:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-22847</guid> <description>I am just over from you in Norway. I think that there is more &#039;Traditional Foods&#039; happening here. I feel there are copious amounts of fish, animal fats and cultured foods being eaten. Lots of roe/fish eggs, mayo ect. (somehow though coconut oil is not to common)From what I understand we are allowed to purchase raw milk - but only if directly from a farmer.. never through a store. I have yet to find one willing to sell to me, though I have just got a new lead I am looking into! Though I have read that many people buy it, I think they are all just scared to share their source. :(I think that if you have milk issues it might stem from the milk not being raw. I have read lots about people who think they have milk issues and that they are shocked when they try raw milk to no ill effect. I think if you try to find a source (and make sure it is clean, well fed - not grain feed cows) that you should give it a try!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just over from you in Norway. I think that there is more &#8216;Traditional Foods&#8217; happening here. I feel there are copious amounts of fish, animal fats and cultured foods being eaten. Lots of roe/fish eggs, mayo ect. (somehow though coconut oil is not to common)</p><p>From what I understand we are allowed to purchase raw milk &#8211; but only if directly from a farmer.. never through a store. I have yet to find one willing to sell to me, though I have just got a new lead I am looking into! Though I have read that many people buy it, I think they are all just scared to share their source. <img
src='http://nourishedkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>I think that if you have milk issues it might stem from the milk not being raw. I have read lots about people who think they have milk issues and that they are shocked when they try raw milk to no ill effect. I think if you try to find a source (and make sure it is clean, well fed &#8211; not grain feed cows) that you should give it a try!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Fonda LaShay</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-22846</link> <dc:creator>Fonda LaShay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:43:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-22846</guid> <description>Ymer has it&#039;s whey drained away but is basically what the Swedes call Filmjölk or what we have here in Norway that is called Kefir Melk/Kulturmelk..  A &#039;yogurt&#039; thin enough to pour - but just barely!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymer has it&#8217;s whey drained away but is basically what the Swedes call Filmjölk or what we have here in Norway that is called Kefir Melk/Kulturmelk..  A &#8216;yogurt&#8217; thin enough to pour &#8211; but just barely!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Josefina</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-22818</link> <dc:creator>Josefina</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-22818</guid> <description>Oh goodness no, raw milk is not sold in stores here. It&#039;s a nutritional wasteland here in all regards, sadly. I&#039;ve myself inquired a little here and there about the possibility of obtaining raw milk from farmers and even foodies are quite reluctant to even speaking of it. If you know a little about Swedish mentality and respect for authority, you know what I&#039;m talking about. I think it&#039;s illegal to sell raw milk off the farm even. But I can&#039;t find specific info about it.
However, I have been successful finding raw milk farther up north, from a lady running a &#039;fäbod&#039;. She&#039;s all old-fashioned and wonderful, but in general, Swedes have lost their connection with traditional food culture. In fact, out of all European countries, Sweden was the first to start abandoning old foodways. It&#039;s slowly coming back I think, but more as a novelty for the better to do folks. What brand yogurt did they buy in the US? The best yogurt I&#039;ve ever had is French, so creamy and perfect acidity.
Btw, I&#039;m in Sala, a few miles west of Uppsala!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh goodness no, raw milk is not sold in stores here. It&#8217;s a nutritional wasteland here in all regards, sadly. I&#8217;ve myself inquired a little here and there about the possibility of obtaining raw milk from farmers and even foodies are quite reluctant to even speaking of it. If you know a little about Swedish mentality and respect for authority, you know what I&#8217;m talking about. I think it&#8217;s illegal to sell raw milk off the farm even. But I can&#8217;t find specific info about it.<br
/> However, I have been successful finding raw milk farther up north, from a lady running a &#8216;fäbod&#8217;. She&#8217;s all old-fashioned and wonderful, but in general, Swedes have lost their connection with traditional food culture. In fact, out of all European countries, Sweden was the first to start abandoning old foodways. It&#8217;s slowly coming back I think, but more as a novelty for the better to do folks. What brand yogurt did they buy in the US? The best yogurt I&#8217;ve ever had is French, so creamy and perfect acidity.<br
/> Btw, I&#8217;m in Sala, a few miles west of Uppsala!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mikki Coburn</title><link>http://nourishedkitchen.com/viili-piima-fil-mjolk/#comment-22675</link> <dc:creator>Mikki Coburn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:44:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nourishedkitchen.com/?p=3452#comment-22675</guid> <description>Yes. I have used Straus&#039; non-homogenized, pasteurized whole milk with cultures and just plain yogurt as a starter and it works fine, but do heat the milk to about 160-180 first, cool to 110, then add the culture or yogurt and culture in your yogurt maker, or oven with the pilot light on, or another method. I&#039;ve tested my yogurt maker many times, and it never heats the culturing yogurt above 110.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I have used Straus&#8217; non-homogenized, pasteurized whole milk with cultures and just plain yogurt as a starter and it works fine, but do heat the milk to about 160-180 first, cool to 110, then add the culture or yogurt and culture in your yogurt maker, or oven with the pilot light on, or another method. I&#8217;ve tested my yogurt maker many times, and it never heats the culturing yogurt above 110.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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