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		<title>By: Menu Plan Monday &#8211; Week of 11/30/09 &#171; Cooking without almost everything</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menu Plan Monday &#8211; Week of 11/30/09 &#171; Cooking without almost everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; Leftover Squash Custard (based on the Acorn Squash Custard in Week 2 of the Nourished Kitchen Food Stamp Challenge, but with leftover spiced mashed squash with pecans), lacto-fermented [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kj:  you might eat well on $900 a month, but try feeding five people with that, and something better than conventional food too.

People think welfare, food stamps, etc. are untold riches.  You&#039;d be very surprised at the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kj:  you might eat well on $900 a month, but try feeding five people with that, and something better than conventional food too.</p>
<p>People think welfare, food stamps, etc. are untold riches.  You&#8217;d be very surprised at the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am enjoying your challenge and continue to look forward to it.

One thing I want to say (and this comes from a very low income family with a very small food budget) I do not understand why people say that buying fresh fruits and vegetables are expensive.  Maybe it is the area I am in and the things available to me but it is much less expensive to buy some oranges, tomatoes, etc than a box of wheat thins!  I cant imagine trying to give my kids snacks that weren&#039;t fruits and veggies.  I wouldnt be able to afford it.

I will agree that free range organic meats are near impossible to find or afford here in my area, I do at least have the option of purchasing locally raised meats instead of tyson.  Instead of putting such a large portion of our budget to meat I try to find other healthy and delcious ways to get high quailty protiens.  It can be done but you have to be adventurous and open minded.

Good luck with your challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am enjoying your challenge and continue to look forward to it.</p>
<p>One thing I want to say (and this comes from a very low income family with a very small food budget) I do not understand why people say that buying fresh fruits and vegetables are expensive.  Maybe it is the area I am in and the things available to me but it is much less expensive to buy some oranges, tomatoes, etc than a box of wheat thins!  I cant imagine trying to give my kids snacks that weren&#8217;t fruits and veggies.  I wouldnt be able to afford it.</p>
<p>I will agree that free range organic meats are near impossible to find or afford here in my area, I do at least have the option of purchasing locally raised meats instead of tyson.  Instead of putting such a large portion of our budget to meat I try to find other healthy and delcious ways to get high quailty protiens.  It can be done but you have to be adventurous and open minded.</p>
<p>Good luck with your challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: josee</title>
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		<dc:creator>josee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh - forgot to mention that we eat 2 dozen eggs a week, since an amazing organic farmer friend of a friend sells them to me for 1$/ dozen, so i do have one source of free range, happy eggs. so not everything we eat is conventionally grown/ raised crap, just mostly. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh &#8211; forgot to mention that we eat 2 dozen eggs a week, since an amazing organic farmer friend of a friend sells them to me for 1$/ dozen, so i do have one source of free range, happy eggs. so not everything we eat is conventionally grown/ raised crap, just mostly. <img src='http://nourishedkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: josee</title>
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		<dc:creator>josee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a single parent, i feed my kids &amp; myself for ~150$/ month. i get milk and canned goods from the food bank, but otherwise everything comes from the grocery store. this is canada, so food costs more to begin with, plus my inner city grocery store doesn&#039;t sell organic anything, or even ripe anything. the fruit is usually rotting, the meats are prohibitively expensive... you get the picture.

so what would you do? i have no options, thanks to my location &amp; income, but avoiding chemicals and animal cruelty is important to me. in the summer i can garden, but summer is short. we eat mostly beans &amp; rice with canned tomatoes and frozen corn... it&#039;s boring but cheap. what would you do/ change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a single parent, i feed my kids &amp; myself for ~150$/ month. i get milk and canned goods from the food bank, but otherwise everything comes from the grocery store. this is canada, so food costs more to begin with, plus my inner city grocery store doesn&#8217;t sell organic anything, or even ripe anything. the fruit is usually rotting, the meats are prohibitively expensive&#8230; you get the picture.</p>
<p>so what would you do? i have no options, thanks to my location &amp; income, but avoiding chemicals and animal cruelty is important to me. in the summer i can garden, but summer is short. we eat mostly beans &amp; rice with canned tomatoes and frozen corn&#8230; it&#8217;s boring but cheap. what would you do/ change?</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been under the impression that food stamps are meant to supplement a food budget, not be the whole budget.</description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, my family receives food stamps and we are very poor right now.  We haven&#039;t always been, but like a lot of America, this is our reality now.

I am kind of shocked by some of the comments on this blog-- clearly by people who have no idea what it is to be poor.  

Just because you are poor, you don&#039;t suddenly start drinking soda and eating boxes of mac and cheese.  

We buy beans and rice through a farm (for cheap, and organic-- but doesn&#039;t take EBT) or through a co-op grocery that does that EBT.  We boy 25 lbs. whole wheat flour, and make all our bread/pancakes, etc.  We buy a 25 bag of oatmeal for 11 bucks.  

We grow a lot of our own food--and you can buy seeds with EBT (at least in my state).  We have chickens, but still get more eggs from the store since it is a cheap protein.  

We buy a whole chicken, and save the bones/skin for broth.  

We don&#039;t eat a lot of meat, because it is just too expensive.  

Some veggies we buy organic or transitional farm produce, some just pesticide free/local.  We are lucky to live in a city that is very close to farms and has a strong love of food.  

But all of this takes a huge amount of work for both me and my husband.  Let me tell you, we bust our rear-ends being poor.  with the addition of being thought of &quot;lazy&quot; and immoral because we are poor.  

But unlike a tourist, when we wake up in the morning, we are still poor.  And it isn&#039;t a cute experiment we are doing.

  It is our life, and ultimately that will allow us to bring about more change in the face of food stability challenges then anything else. 

As a food activist I was interested in your experiment, but  people still make comments like :

&quot;I have to say too that most people are not educated at all when it comes to food and nutrition. They do what is easy. You have to take into consideration the circumstances of the people living with this assistance as well. Not all of them are emotionally, physically, spiritually, or financially able to spend the time in the kitchen and are buying convenience foods. When you are in hard times, it is more than just the physical ability to do something that factors in.&quot;

Which makes me think that they have little connection to the people using EBT and WIC.  It is generalizations like this that just muddles the water. 

WIC doesn&#039;t exist to help the poor people, it exists to keep a oversupply of dairy products off the market, to drive prices up.  

Food stamps exist to keep America from realizing how poor she really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, my family receives food stamps and we are very poor right now.  We haven&#8217;t always been, but like a lot of America, this is our reality now.</p>
<p>I am kind of shocked by some of the comments on this blog&#8211; clearly by people who have no idea what it is to be poor.  </p>
<p>Just because you are poor, you don&#8217;t suddenly start drinking soda and eating boxes of mac and cheese.  </p>
<p>We buy beans and rice through a farm (for cheap, and organic&#8211; but doesn&#8217;t take EBT) or through a co-op grocery that does that EBT.  We boy 25 lbs. whole wheat flour, and make all our bread/pancakes, etc.  We buy a 25 bag of oatmeal for 11 bucks.  </p>
<p>We grow a lot of our own food&#8211;and you can buy seeds with EBT (at least in my state).  We have chickens, but still get more eggs from the store since it is a cheap protein.  </p>
<p>We buy a whole chicken, and save the bones/skin for broth.  </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t eat a lot of meat, because it is just too expensive.  </p>
<p>Some veggies we buy organic or transitional farm produce, some just pesticide free/local.  We are lucky to live in a city that is very close to farms and has a strong love of food.  </p>
<p>But all of this takes a huge amount of work for both me and my husband.  Let me tell you, we bust our rear-ends being poor.  with the addition of being thought of &#8220;lazy&#8221; and immoral because we are poor.  </p>
<p>But unlike a tourist, when we wake up in the morning, we are still poor.  And it isn&#8217;t a cute experiment we are doing.</p>
<p>  It is our life, and ultimately that will allow us to bring about more change in the face of food stability challenges then anything else. </p>
<p>As a food activist I was interested in your experiment, but  people still make comments like :</p>
<p>&#8220;I have to say too that most people are not educated at all when it comes to food and nutrition. They do what is easy. You have to take into consideration the circumstances of the people living with this assistance as well. Not all of them are emotionally, physically, spiritually, or financially able to spend the time in the kitchen and are buying convenience foods. When you are in hard times, it is more than just the physical ability to do something that factors in.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which makes me think that they have little connection to the people using EBT and WIC.  It is generalizations like this that just muddles the water. </p>
<p>WIC doesn&#8217;t exist to help the poor people, it exists to keep a oversupply of dairy products off the market, to drive prices up.  </p>
<p>Food stamps exist to keep America from realizing how poor she really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny this is a fascinating challenge you are doing. I very much appreciate the research and effort you are putting forth on it. I love the menu plan too! 
I happen to currently be on food stamps for my family -myself and 4 boys!! I am very grateful for them and my budget is close to $800 per month. Thankfully, I have a coop near me that is Weston Price friendly and I get raw milk, raw cheese, pastured eggs, grass fed beef, bulk grains, spices, local honey and locally grown organic produce. I am so very fortunate to have this co-op, because as you have discovered the supermarkets are a nightmare!! I also sometimes supplement at Trader Joe&#039;s which does have some better options than the ACME might. 
Anyway, keep up the good work, I will most definitely be following you along on this journey! Peace to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny this is a fascinating challenge you are doing. I very much appreciate the research and effort you are putting forth on it. I love the menu plan too!<br />
I happen to currently be on food stamps for my family -myself and 4 boys!! I am very grateful for them and my budget is close to $800 per month. Thankfully, I have a coop near me that is Weston Price friendly and I get raw milk, raw cheese, pastured eggs, grass fed beef, bulk grains, spices, local honey and locally grown organic produce. I am so very fortunate to have this co-op, because as you have discovered the supermarkets are a nightmare!! I also sometimes supplement at Trader Joe&#8217;s which does have some better options than the ACME might.<br />
Anyway, keep up the good work, I will most definitely be following you along on this journey! Peace to you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chelle -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure I understand your comment.&#160; Are you disagreeing wtih me? Or with another commenter on this thread?&#160; Perhaps I was unclear when I wrote, &quot;I still maintain that it is possible to eat &lt;em&gt;healthfully&lt;/em&gt; on a food stamp budget.&quot;&#160; Please clarify.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Jenny&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chelle -</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand your comment.&nbsp; Are you disagreeing wtih me? Or with another commenter on this thread?&nbsp; Perhaps I was unclear when I wrote, &#8220;I still maintain that it is possible to eat <em>healthfully</em> on a food stamp budget.&#8221;&nbsp; Please clarify.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>- Jenny</p>
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		<title>By: ChelleWeezie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChelleWeezie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.. disagree.. YOU CAN EAT HEALTHY ON A FOOD STAMP BUDGET.</description>
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		<title>By: Noelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is so close to home for me.  We have been on food stamps for 2 years now, and we barter with a CSA for veggies, eggs, beef, pork, chickens, lamb and even fruit.  I can and freeze a lot.  I know it&#039;s not optimal, but  it&#039;s easier for our family of 8.  But I have to cook A LOT to make affordable meals.  And most of my friends would rather NOT cook that much.  And by cooking, I don&#039;t mean reheating.

If I were to rely solely on our FS budget of $425 for the month, I don&#039;t know how we could eat much more than cheap ground beef (with who knows WHAT in there) and the most basic of vegetables.

We have developed a culture that doesn&#039;t know how to cook beyond opening packages.  And all those conveniences like pre-cut vegetables and individually frozen pieces of chicken (where you lose the yummy bones) cost more.  How do we educate our neighbors to stretch their dollars by getting whole foods?  How do we teach a new generation how to cook again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is so close to home for me.  We have been on food stamps for 2 years now, and we barter with a CSA for veggies, eggs, beef, pork, chickens, lamb and even fruit.  I can and freeze a lot.  I know it&#8217;s not optimal, but  it&#8217;s easier for our family of 8.  But I have to cook A LOT to make affordable meals.  And most of my friends would rather NOT cook that much.  And by cooking, I don&#8217;t mean reheating.</p>
<p>If I were to rely solely on our FS budget of $425 for the month, I don&#8217;t know how we could eat much more than cheap ground beef (with who knows WHAT in there) and the most basic of vegetables.</p>
<p>We have developed a culture that doesn&#8217;t know how to cook beyond opening packages.  And all those conveniences like pre-cut vegetables and individually frozen pieces of chicken (where you lose the yummy bones) cost more.  How do we educate our neighbors to stretch their dollars by getting whole foods?  How do we teach a new generation how to cook again?</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading your post and many of the comments, I can see how much we all do really care about what we eat.  But you have stated that you want to change the system, that it&#039;s not working.  Well not that that can&#039;t be done, but instead of taking on the system, I believe we need to educate more people on what they CAN afford to do.

You see your menu isn&#039;t typical for most of us who really DO eat on a very limited budget.  We eat pizza, tacos, chicken fingers and fries.  Our kids eat mac n cheese and spaghetti O&#039;s.  We can&#039;t afford to eat oranges and pineapples for snacks.  I&#039;ve been behind the woman at the grocery store with Coke, Kraft, Doritos, Jiff, and Trix in her cart as she hands over her EBT card.  When you&#039;re told over and over that that&#039;s all you can do, that&#039;s all you can afford, that&#039;s all you get, then you believe it.  There is no one out there saying different or showing how.

Not everyone likes to cook and in this day and age we really don&#039;t have to, we can buy it already done for us.  That&#039;s what you&#039;re up against.  The way you achieve what you&#039;re trying to do is to limit variety.  We just don&#039;t eat a lot of different things.  Our snacks are homemade crackers with carrots, raisins, cheese, or olives.  Breakfast is homemade bagels with eggs, or oatmeal rasin bars.  Our fruit consists mainly of apples and bananas with the occasionl splurge of frozen strawberries.  I buy chicken and beef.  Sometimes pork and maybe once a month (if on sale) fish.  I buy only leaf lettuce.  I add sunflower seeds to it and maybe some raisins or carrots, but that&#039;s about it.

Eighty percent of what I buy is organic.  My fruit, meat, milk, and eggs I will not bend on.  My wheat (natural, gmo free) I soak , so that leaves a few odds and ends that are usually 50/50 on whether or not their organic (veggies, cheese, carrots, etc...)depends on price, sale, and budget. 

I have adapted many recipes that we love to be healthier for us yet still affordable.  I make our mac n cheese from scratch same with the spaghetti o&#039;s...My kids eat lots of apples and carrots and drink a lot of raw milk...I make hamburger buns for our burgers and bake up oven fries...I fry all our fried foods in coconut oil.  

You get the picture.  Anyway, I hope that maybe for all those comments I saw of people who want to help, and for you, that while you can take on the system, it&#039;s more important to re-educate people.  Empower them.  This isn&#039;t impossible.  It just takes work. 

I commend you for taking on this challenge unnecessarily.  It certainly won&#039;t happen for you in a month, it&#039;s taken me many to get our menu and budget in sync.  But keep it up and I look forward to your next post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your post and many of the comments, I can see how much we all do really care about what we eat.  But you have stated that you want to change the system, that it&#8217;s not working.  Well not that that can&#8217;t be done, but instead of taking on the system, I believe we need to educate more people on what they CAN afford to do.</p>
<p>You see your menu isn&#8217;t typical for most of us who really DO eat on a very limited budget.  We eat pizza, tacos, chicken fingers and fries.  Our kids eat mac n cheese and spaghetti O&#8217;s.  We can&#8217;t afford to eat oranges and pineapples for snacks.  I&#8217;ve been behind the woman at the grocery store with Coke, Kraft, Doritos, Jiff, and Trix in her cart as she hands over her EBT card.  When you&#8217;re told over and over that that&#8217;s all you can do, that&#8217;s all you can afford, that&#8217;s all you get, then you believe it.  There is no one out there saying different or showing how.</p>
<p>Not everyone likes to cook and in this day and age we really don&#8217;t have to, we can buy it already done for us.  That&#8217;s what you&#8217;re up against.  The way you achieve what you&#8217;re trying to do is to limit variety.  We just don&#8217;t eat a lot of different things.  Our snacks are homemade crackers with carrots, raisins, cheese, or olives.  Breakfast is homemade bagels with eggs, or oatmeal rasin bars.  Our fruit consists mainly of apples and bananas with the occasionl splurge of frozen strawberries.  I buy chicken and beef.  Sometimes pork and maybe once a month (if on sale) fish.  I buy only leaf lettuce.  I add sunflower seeds to it and maybe some raisins or carrots, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>Eighty percent of what I buy is organic.  My fruit, meat, milk, and eggs I will not bend on.  My wheat (natural, gmo free) I soak , so that leaves a few odds and ends that are usually 50/50 on whether or not their organic (veggies, cheese, carrots, etc&#8230;)depends on price, sale, and budget. </p>
<p>I have adapted many recipes that we love to be healthier for us yet still affordable.  I make our mac n cheese from scratch same with the spaghetti o&#8217;s&#8230;My kids eat lots of apples and carrots and drink a lot of raw milk&#8230;I make hamburger buns for our burgers and bake up oven fries&#8230;I fry all our fried foods in coconut oil.  </p>
<p>You get the picture.  Anyway, I hope that maybe for all those comments I saw of people who want to help, and for you, that while you can take on the system, it&#8217;s more important to re-educate people.  Empower them.  This isn&#8217;t impossible.  It just takes work. </p>
<p>I commend you for taking on this challenge unnecessarily.  It certainly won&#8217;t happen for you in a month, it&#8217;s taken me many to get our menu and budget in sync.  But keep it up and I look forward to your next post!</p>
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